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Originally Posted by SkySofiaLila

Nep, we are dying to know.... What did HR say????!!!

I don't think you'll find out in this thread.

[nep321]

The total cost to relocate will be approximately $4,089, of which $1,978 is for breaking the lease.

I didn't hear from anyone today. And apparently, the recruiter didn't yet ask the employer if they would be willing to help pay for relocation expenses, but said he will ask them on Monday. Therefore, I still have a chance to refrain from asking them for any assistance. The way I want to ask, is to convey to them that I definitely want the job and will relocate and start the job no matter what, but would be grateful if they could provide say, $2,000 in assistance, due to higher than anticipated costs in order to lessen the financial impact of me having to make the move. If they cannot provide assistance, I will just pay for it all myself and just hope to god that I survive the probation period.

I just don't want to risk losing the job offer to the next best candidate, who happens to be local. However, the pay range for this job was up to $90K. I mean, what if the next best candidate demands a salary of $80K or $90K? Wouldn't it be cheaper for them to hire me at a salary of $70K and tack on $2K of relocation assistance?!

[troutman85]

I don't post often but I do frequent the site a bit. I do not understand how threads like this stay open but other threads get locked when they start to go off course. Whether the op is sincere or not I dont know, but regardless it is some of the worst trolling I've seen. A relocation thread has now moved to door to door campaigning for bernie sanders. I know I'm only feeding into it, and honestly I have no problem with threads running off course, but I don't understand why other threads get locked quickly and these dont. Just my opinion based on observations.

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Originally Posted by nep321

The total cost to relocate will be approximately $4,089, of which $1,978 is for breaking the lease.

I didn't hear from anyone today. And apparently, the recruiter didn't yet ask the employer if they would be willing to help pay for relocation expenses, but said he will ask them on Monday. Therefore, I still have a chance to refrain from asking them for any assistance. The way I want to ask, is to convey to them that I definitely want the job and will relocate and start the job no matter what, but would be grateful if they could provide say, $2,000 in assistance, due to higher than anticipated costs in order to lessen the financial impact of me having to make the move. If they cannot provide assistance, I will just pay for it all myself and just hope to god that I survive the probation period.

Thatta boy. Well, aside from the last sentence.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by nep321

The total cost to relocate will be approximately $4,089, of which $1,978 is for breaking the lease.

I didn't hear from anyone today. And apparently, the recruiter didn't yet ask the employer if they would be willing to help pay for relocation expenses, but said he will ask them on Monday. Therefore, I still have a chance to refrain from asking them for any assistance. The way I want to ask, is to convey to them that I definitely want the job and will relocate and start the job no matter what, but would be grateful if they could provide say, $2,000 in assistance, due to higher than anticipated costs in order to lessen the financial impact of me having to make the move. If they cannot provide assistance, I will just pay for it all myself and just hope to god that I survive the probation period.

I just don't want to risk losing the job offer to the next best candidate, who happens to be local. However, the pay range for this job was up to $90K. I mean, what if the next best candidate demands a salary of $80K or $90K? Wouldn't it be cheaper for them to hire me at a salary of $70K and tack on $2K of relocation assistance?!

I doubt the other candidate is costing much more than you, and may be less, if it is not via recruiter. (Your recruiter's firm is getting 20-25% or 14-18k, paid within 30-90 days of start date).


Forget the 90k baloney. First, recruiters exaggerate, second no matter what the real top $ are, unless someone came in as the spectacular, once in a lifetime candidate with many years mgmt. experience and an impeccable job history (long term at jobs), they were not gonna sniff top $. In a quarter century, I can count on one hand how many my employers hired in the top 10% of the stated range. And certainly not in a state with a mediocre unemployment rate by present US standards.


If you bring it up at all, you need to state the request while concurrently setting a firm start date, and reiterating you are accepting NO matter what their decision is on relo assistance. And if they provide it, they will no doubt have you sign a contract which claws back some of it if you either quit or get fired within a year or two. So you have to do the simple task all employees do: Do not goof up, and do not give them reason to fire you. No weekday cable installs, no docs for many months at start, that stuff is not why you are getting paid. Be there, every day, and ot every time as needed. Basic professional actions.

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Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

If you bring it up at all, you need to state the request while concurrently setting a firm start date, and reiterating you are accepting NO matter what their decision is on relo assistance. And if they provide it, they will no doubt have you sign a contract which claws back some of it if you either quit or get fired within a year or two. So you have to do the simple task all employees do: Do not goof up, and do not give them reason to fire you. No weekday cable installs, no docs for many months at start, that stuff is not why you are getting paid. Be there, every day, and ot every time as needed. Basic professional actions.

I do not understand why he is worried about passing the probation period. He is 31, has been in this profession for years. What is he worried about? I understand being nervous after his last experience in the workforce, but still. He did mention how he is making some appointments for the next week in Ohio so he doesn't have to do them in his first weeks on the job, but that shouldn't even be an issue. And let's not forget that he will be moving into a new place once again, and will have to get cable and stuff installed. He should definitely be doing this on a Saturday or after work.

I just don't see what the problem is. Can he not hold down a job? Or is it that he is unwilling to be a good employee and prioritize work over life when it is needed?

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Another thing, I'm currently working in a job where I am also non-management but am treated like management. I actually make a high wage compared to my peers, however I do not have the title of a manager. But I work like one, and I better since I get paid so much for being regular staff. I could slack off, but that would likely lead to problems...even though my job class doesn't call for going above and beyond like I do. I even dress better than the managers!

I honestly think nep needs to grow up. He will never get promoted with this attitude. And he knows this, but he has a lot to prove now to any prospective employer...especially if he wants to stay somewhere long term like he is always talking about.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by nep321

I just read the offer letter and my title is Tax Specialist. So I guess it's not really a senior/manager role after all. It's a staff level role. .

Staff level doesn't get close to 90k.

[nep321]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

I doubt the other candidate is costing much more than you, and may be less, if it is not via recruiter. (Your recruiter's firm is getting 20-25% or 14-18k, paid within 30-90 days of start date).


Forget the 90k baloney. First, recruiters exaggerate, second no matter what the real top $ are, unless someone came in as the spectacular, once in a lifetime candidate with many years mgmt. experience and an impeccable job history (long term at jobs), they were not gonna sniff top $. In a quarter century, I can count on one hand how many my employers hired in the top 10% of the stated range. And certainly not in a state with a mediocre unemployment rate by present US standards.


If you bring it up at all, you need to state the request while concurrently setting a firm start date, and reiterating you are accepting NO matter what their decision is on relo assistance. And if they provide it, they will no doubt have you sign a contract which claws back some of it if you either quit or get fired within a year or two. So you have to do the simple task all employees do: Do not goof up, and do not give them reason to fire you. No weekday cable installs, no docs for many months at start, that stuff is not why you are getting paid. Be there, every day, and ot every time as needed. Basic professional actions.

In the case of seeing doctors, certain things just cannot wait for months. After all, most employers start health insurance coverage the month following the month in which 30 days of employment have elapsed. What is the point of having health insurance if I cannot see a doctor? In any case, I will be more cautious with doctor's appointments and of course, get manager approval for scheduling appointments. I will minimize the need to see a doctor as much as possible during the probation period. BUT, if there's something health related that needs urgent or critical attention, I will have to make it happen somehow. But I won't just come and go with doctors' appointments without asking or letting my manager know first. I'll just have to get a feel for this company's culture and mentality, but I will proceed with caution of course.

I will do my best to get cable TV and internet as soon as possible. How the hell can I live without internet for weeks? That's very hard to do in this day and age. And it's an election year, so I like to watch debates and every single primary election night.

[nep321]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

Staff level doesn't get close to 90k.

The role was originally meant to be a manager role that would pay up to $90K. However, based on my background, experience, knowledge, skills, etc., they decided to make me a staff level person and get paid $70K. I'm okay with that, because I am not ready to be senior or manager anyway. And I don't really care if I never do, because I'm perfectly fine being a staff forever. All I care about is living comfortably enough and being able to travel often.