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Old 10-19-2018, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Detroit is 8 times the land area and 6 times the population. Parts of Hartford do look like Detroit.
When's the last time you took a ride through the city ? Not downtown, but where the majority of people live?
I'm here pretty much every day, and have been for over 40 years. What would you like to know about the city ?


I left my crystal ball home today so I can't answer your questions. What I do know is what I see, in person , with my experience and looking at the statistics regarding this state. And once again, the performance of Democrats over the past 8 years, and more, make them unsuitable to govern CT . How can you vote Democratic ?
I'm sure Senator Blumenthal is down in Washington , or feet on the ground here helping to clean up the blight in Connecticut cities, and/ or helping his constituents. No wait , he was serving Pizza in New Britain celebrating a couple of illegals that have come out of Sanctuary. He had to make sure he was there for the photo Op. Hey Richard, better call Dominoes now. There's a couple thousand illegals heading up from Central America . No doubt once they sneak in you will be there waiting to help them. You'll be in your mid seventies when you come up for reelection in 2022. Time to pack it in. Are you proud of the fact that since 1990 the State has added 300,000 residents and 95,000 illegals ?
I think you will find vacant properties in EVERY major city in this country. The question is, is Connecticut cities any worse than others. I say no. You must remember that Connecticut cities are very small in area and represent only the dense urban core of a larger metropolitan area. This tends to skew any so called rankings for things like crime or abandoned properties. Other cities have more stable suburban areas within their borders but here cities like Hartford do not. Hartford is only 17 square miles. A city like Seattle is almost 84 square miles. Charlotte is about 300 square miles. Big difference.

As to why our state keeps voting for Democrats, that is simple. The Connecticut Republican Party has failed to run any candidate that is worth voting for. I am a Republican and find the majority of the Republican candidates to not reflect my opinions and positions on key issues. The party had a great chance to take back the Governor position but ran an unelectable Tom Foley TWICE! Are they kidding?

Bob Stafanowski has a better chance BUT he has failed to promote anything more than just cutting taxes drqastically without thought as to the impact of those cuts. Connecticut voters are highly educated so they see through such ridiculous promises. Also Connecticut voters are more interested in the better good of ALL of their residents and not just the wealthy. They feel that they do not need to save a few pennies at the expense of the people that need social services.

Despite what you think, people here are proud of Senator Blumenthal. Sure he loves the spotlight and being in front of a camera and has misspoken a number of times, BUT he also is a big advocate for the poor and middle class. Remember he is from a very affluent Greenwich family and could have easily become a puppet of the rich and large corporations. Instead he has consistently fought for the little guy and cares for humans rather than money and greed. That means a lot. Again, I am a Republican but I don't just blindly follow the party line. That may not be the current party position but I do not care. I believe what I believe and will not compromise just because the party has gone so far right, it is ridiculous. Time for them to come back toward the middle otherwise they will die a well deserved death. JMHO, Jay

 
Old 10-19-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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I would think that few people in the income range that bails out of high COL states use moving companies. That’s not a Connecticut thing. If you’re making $50k, you’re doing a DIY move.
 
Old 10-19-2018, 10:43 AM
 
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I would think that few people in the income range that bails out of high COL states use moving companies. That’s not a Connecticut thing. If you’re making $50k, you’re doing a DIY move.
Possibly, but if you are correct, 50M starts the middle class strata in CT, so there may be many more leaving than is thought of.
 
Old 10-19-2018, 10:59 AM
 
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I think you will find vacant properties in EVERY major city in this country. The question is, is Connecticut cities any worse than others. I say no. You must remember that Connecticut cities are very small in area and represent only the dense urban core of a larger metropolitan area. This tends to skew any so called rankings for things like crime or abandoned properties. Other cities have more stable suburban areas within their borders but here cities like Hartford do not. Hartford is only 17 square miles. A city like Seattle is almost 84 square miles. Charlotte is about 300 square miles. Big difference.

As to why our state keeps voting for Democrats, that is simple. The Connecticut Republican Party has failed to run any candidate that is worth voting for. I am a Republican and find the majority of the Republican candidates to not reflect my opinions and positions on key issues. The party had a great chance to take back the Governor position but ran an unelectable Tom Foley TWICE! Are they kidding?

Bob Stafanowski has a better chance BUT he has failed to promote anything more than just cutting taxes drqastically without thought as to the impact of those cuts. Connecticut voters are highly educated so they see through such ridiculous promises. Also Connecticut voters are more interested in the better good of ALL of their residents and not just the wealthy. They feel that they do not need to save a few pennies at the expense of the people that need social services.

Despite what you think, people here are proud of Senator Blumenthal. Sure he loves the spotlight and being in front of a camera and has misspoken a number of times, BUT he also is a big advocate for the poor and middle class. Remember he is from a very affluent Greenwich family and could have easily become a puppet of the rich and large corporations. Instead he has consistently fought for the little guy and cares for humans rather than money and greed. That means a lot. Again, I am a Republican but I don't just blindly follow the party line. That may not be the current party position but I do not care. I believe what I believe and will not compromise just because the party has gone so far right, it is ridiculous. Time for them to come back toward the middle otherwise they will die a well deserved death. JMHO, Jay
LOL, Blumenthal is a joke. Even my Dem friends think he's a joke. He's a media hound - anything to get his face on TV. Can you name one piece of meaningful legislation for CT that he's sponsored while in the Senate? And let's not forget his "service" in Viet Nam.
 
Old 10-19-2018, 11:04 AM
 
Location: On the Stones of Years
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I think you will find vacant properties in EVERY major city in this country. The question is, is Connecticut cities any worse than others. I say no. You must remember that Connecticut cities are very small in area and represent only the dense urban core of a larger metropolitan area. This tends to skew any so called rankings for things like crime or abandoned properties. Other cities have more stable suburban areas within their borders but here cities like Hartford do not. Hartford is only 17 square miles. A city like Seattle is almost 84 square miles. Charlotte is about 300 square miles. Big difference.

As to why our state keeps voting for Democrats, that is simple. The Connecticut Republican Party has failed to run any candidate that is worth voting for. I am a Republican and find the majority of the Republican candidates to not reflect my opinions and positions on key issues. The party had a great chance to take back the Governor position but ran an unelectable Tom Foley TWICE! Are they kidding?

Bob Stafanowski has a better chance BUT he has failed to promote anything more than just cutting taxes drqastically without thought as to the impact of those cuts. Connecticut voters are highly educated so they see through such ridiculous promises. Also Connecticut voters are more interested in the better good of ALL of their residents and not just the wealthy. They feel that they do not need to save a few pennies at the expense of the people that need social services.

Despite what you think, people here are proud of Senator Blumenthal. Sure he loves the spotlight and being in front of a camera and has misspoken a number of times, BUT he also is a big advocate for the poor and middle class. Remember he is from a very affluent Greenwich family and could have easily become a puppet of the rich and large corporations. Instead he has consistently fought for the little guy and cares for humans rather than money and greed. That means a lot. Again, I am a Republican but I don't just blindly follow the party line. That may not be the current party position but I do not care. I believe what I believe and will not compromise just because the party has gone so far right, it is ridiculous. Time for them to come back toward the middle otherwise they will die a well deserved death. JMHO, Jay


Of course there are. And so many declining cities are run by Democrats. Filth on the streets of San Francisco. Typhoid in downtown LA along with 40,000 camped out.
But we live here. The reality is that once great areas of the city have gone down the tubes over the course of time. In many other cities in America, some areas are coming back. Not so much here in CT. Oh there is some development but I am talking about the revitalization of CT cities like Hartford in areas where people actually live. Were you around in the mid 1970's, and drove through the residential areas of Hartford? If so, take the same drive today and you would be shocked. If you weren't around , then you are ignorant of the actual decline of the quality of living that many residents are faced with. And that decline has helped drive taxpayers out. Democratic policies and taxation have made running a business an expensive proposition in Harford.


Stop blaming the decline of Ct on the inability to run the correct Republican . Republicans are not being funded by the Unions. That's' what has been going on, and with the increased amount of people now relying on entitlements, welfare , programs , all favorites of Democrats, they keep their voters dependent upon them by frightening them with throwing Granny off the cliff, cutting this and that, you know what has been going on. This State is Deep Blue for many reasons , and the least contributive is the lack of substance from the opposing party. Democratic policies and ideology have fed the decline of specific aspects of the fabric of society , and encouraged them by funding .


At least there is a proposal to CUT taxes out there. We have tried the increased tax load concept over and over again. More so the last 8 year with Malloy. It hasn't worked. Why on earth would you thinkit would work now ? Remember what Einstein said.


CT Democrats are always a few days late with ideas and always a few dollars short when the consequences are revealed. Have you been up to East Windsor lately? The big hole in the wall is still there at the old Showcase Cinemas , from the " groundbreaking " of the new casino. What, no new Casino ? They pulled in 17 million in the first month in Springfield. See those dollars going up 91 from CT ?


The party has not gone further to the right. With all that is going on, state for a fact what policies that are " so far right " that have been enacted that have had a negative effect on the average everyday American. " Misspoken " That's hysterical . He LIED.


What I will tell you about Blumenthal and many Democrats, is the smugglers, the criminals, the illegals, the Coyotes, the profiteers know they have people inside the American Government that are working for THEM. Our own elected Officials, our own American taxpayer paid representatives working on the plight of non citizens. And then basking in the glory of their " accomplishments'". That's the biggest danger facing Americans today. That emboldens any and all that want to sneak across the border, smuggle in some meth, or drop off half a dozen children in a Sanctuary city and let the American tax payer pay for it.


It is a disgrace.

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Old 10-19-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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Again, these are not accurate data sources. They are based upon people who use the services of these moving companies and do not reflect people who do not use them. That makes their results inaccurate and basically useless.

Connecticut has a number of people that retire out of state. They are older and usually more affluent so they can afford to use a mover. We also have a lot of corporate moves. People moving in tend to be younger with less possessions so they do not need a big moving company. They can get away with a UHaul or small truck. If you have a link to some other source, please post it but until then, this is worthless. Jay


So instead of accepting multiple sources, ( did you even bother to read the Dept. of Labor Report ? ) as " not accurate" , when some of them have been published year after year , and speculate about the number that " don't use them", that stance just doesn't logically displace the facts of their reports. A lack of rebuttal without figures ( mere speculation ) does not trump documented figures.


The facts are accurate within the context of the subject. How many people have left CT , and certain particulars. Each and every source comes to a similar if not the same conclusion. The lack of GDP growth also supports an economic drain. The flat population figures confirm no growth.


Instead we should accept your conjecture ? Retirees are reflected in the figures provided by all the sources. If you have any other contributing figures regarding Corporate moves , U Haul rentals etc. to DISPROVE the figures I have presented, please do. The burden is on you. Your belief in the source is just that, a belief. Orthers may well believe it , unless you add weight for consideration to a counter argument. Speculation does not carry any weight.

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Old 10-19-2018, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Of course there are. And so many declining cities are run by Democrats. Filth on the streets of San Francisco. Typhoid in downtown LA along with 40,000 camped out.
But we live here. The reality is that once great areas of the city have gone down the tubes over the course of time. In many other cities in America, some areas are coming back. Not so much here in CT. Oh there is some development but I am talking about the revitalization of CT cities like Hartford in areas where people actually live. Were you around in the mid 1970's, and drove through the residential areas of Hartford? If so, take the same drive today and you would be shocked. If you weren't around , then you are ignorant of the actual decline of the quality of living that many residents are faced with. And that decline has helped drive taxpayers out. Democratic policies and taxation have made running a business an expensive proposition in Harford.


Stop blaming the decline of Ct on the inability to run the correct Republican . Republicans are not being funded by the Unions. That's' what has been going on, and with the increased amount of people now relying on entitlements, welfare , programs , all favorites of Democrats, they keep their voters dependent upon them by frightening them with throwing Granny off the cliff, cutting this and that, you know what has been going on. This State is Deep Blue for many reasons , and the least contributive is the lack of substance from the opposing party. Democratic policies and ideology have fed the decline of specific aspects of the fabric of society , and encouraged them by funding .


At least there is a proposal to CUT taxes out there. We have tried the increased tax load concept over and over again. More so the last 8 year with Malloy. It hasn't worked. Why on earth would you thinkit would work now ? Remember what Einstein said.


CT Democrats are always a few days late with ideas and always a few dollars short when the consequences are revealed. Have you been up to East Windsor lately? The big hole in the wall is still there at the old Showcase Cinemas , from the " groundbreaking " of the new casino. What, no new Casino ? They pulled in 17 million in the first month in Springfield. See those dollars going up 91 from CT ?


The party has not gone further to the right. With all that is going on, state for a fact what policies that are " so far right " that have been enacted that have had a negative effect on the average everyday American. " Misspoken " That's hysterical . He LIED.


What I will tell you about Blumenthal and many Democrats, is the smugglers, the criminals, the illegals, the Coyotes, the profiteers know they have people inside the American Government that are working for THEM. Our own elected Officials, our own American taxpayer paid representatives working on the plight of non citizens. And then basking in the glory of their " accomplishments'". That's the biggest danger facing Americans today. That emboldens any and all that want to sneak across the border, smuggle in some meth, or drop off half a dozen children in a Sanctuary city and let the American tax payer pay for it.


It is a disgrace.
Oh come on now. Deeply Republican strongholds are just as bad. Tell me that there aren't bad neighborhoods in places like Jacksonville, Fort Worth, El Paso, Oklahoma City, Fresno or Miami. You can't. They have just as bad if not worse areas.

Are you saying the state should have elected Tom Foley despite the fact that he was a horrible choice for a candidate? Come on now, anyone who is stupid enough to stand in front of a group of workers with cameras rolling and say that the reason they lost their jobs is their fault is a fool and does not deserve anyones vote. That was the best we could come up with? Absolutely horrible.

I am not sure what the East Windsor casino has to do with any of this. That is not over yet. It is clear that politics are playing into the casinos approval. Why has the Department of Interior not acted on the application? They made excuses and said their approval is not needed. Now a Federal judge has said they need approval. Who is right and why is there this disagreement??? Very suspicous and sounding of typical DC BS. The swamp may have been drained but it has been refilled with toxic waste. Disgusting.

Richard Blumenthal has sponsored and cosponsored MANY bills that have impacted our state. Here is a link that summarizes them. It is clear he supports people's rights and a better world for all. Not just the rich and big corporations. I find that very admirable and is more in line with my beliefs than anything proposed by the Republican Party members like Mitch "Greed" McConnell or Lindsey "Dirtbag" Graham. They are just big business puppets who are long overdue to be thrown out of office. They are prime examples of why we need Congressional term limits. That is the REAL disgrace. Jay

https://www.blumenthal.senate.gov/legislation
 
Old 10-19-2018, 12:38 PM
 
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So instead of accepting multiple sources, ( did you even bother to read the Dept. of Labor Report ? ) as " not accurate" , when some of them have been published year after year , and speculate about the number that " don't use them", that stance just doesn't logically displace the facts of their reports. A lack of rebuttal without figures ( mere speculation ) does not trump documented figures.


The facts are accurate within the context of the subject. How many people have left CT , and certain particulars. Each and every source comes to a similar if not the same conclusion. The lack of GDP growth also supports an economic drain. The flat population figures confirm no growth.


Instead we should accept your conjecture ? Retirees are reflected in the figures provided by all the sources. If you have any other contributing figures regarding Corporate moves , U Haul rentals etc. to DISPROVE the figures I have presented, please do. The burden is on you. Your belief in the source is just that, a belief. Orthers may well believe it , unless you add weight for consideration to a counter argument. Speculation does not carry any weight.
Did you post the link to this Labor Department report??? No. you did not. Again, if you keep making these claims, back them up with facts. Without that you are just posting opinion and that means little. Jay
 
Old 10-19-2018, 12:53 PM
 
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Did you post the link to this Labor Department report??? No. you did not. Again, if you keep making these claims, back them up with facts. Without that you are just posting opinion and that means little. Jay
I told you it is work product. I am not allowed to post the links. I am backing them with facts, facts within a report I am telling you is readily available to the public. And in that report, it has 3 different sources within, and they come to a similar if not the same conclusion. Which happens to be the same or similar in most instances to the Allied and United information and the USA today article.


Treat it like the research you would need to do to write a paper for a course. Take your time, flesh it out, assemble the sources and present your opinion based on the facts That's what I do day in and day out.




The bottom line is that there is a preponderance of evidence supporting the migration of the middle class out of Connecticut.
 
Old 10-19-2018, 01:18 PM
 
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Oh come on now. Deeply Republican strongholds are just as bad. Tell me that there aren't bad neighborhoods in places like Jacksonville, Fort Worth, El Paso, Oklahoma City, Fresno or Miami. You can't. They have just as bad if not worse areas.

Are you saying the state should have elected Tom Foley despite the fact that he was a horrible choice for a candidate? Come on now, anyone who is stupid enough to stand in front of a group of workers with cameras rolling and say that the reason they lost their jobs is their fault is a fool and does not deserve anyones vote. That was the best we could come up with? Absolutely horrible.

I am not sure what the East Windsor casino has to do with any of this. That is not over yet. It is clear that politics are playing into the casinos approval. Why has the Department of Interior not acted on the application? They made excuses and said their approval is not needed. Now a Federal judge has said they need approval. Who is right and why is there this disagreement??? Very suspicous and sounding of typical DC BS. The swamp may have been drained but it has been refilled with toxic waste. Disgusting.

Richard Blumenthal has sponsored and cosponsored MANY bills that have impacted our state. Here is a link that summarizes them. It is clear he supports people's rights and a better world for all. Not just the rich and big corporations. I find that very admirable and is more in line with my beliefs than anything proposed by the Republican Party members like Mitch "Greed" McConnell or Lindsey "Dirtbag" Graham. They are just big business puppets who are long overdue to be thrown out of office. They are prime examples of why we need Congressional term limits. That is the REAL disgrace. Jay

https://www.blumenthal.senate.gov/legislation


Of course there are bad areas everywhere. However the declining economic stability of a majority of cities are run by Democrats. Regardless , tell me who is responsible for the decline here, who has been running things ? Why should the same behavior continue ?


I am not saying anyone should have won. Foley or a write in . What the facts are is that under Democrats the State has suffered. The State has incredible unfounded liabilities down the road. The State has trailed the country in economic recovery, growth , job creation, the only thing we seemed to be at the top of the heap is taxation.


Doesn't the CT taxpayer deserve more?


The East Windsor Casino was a poorly thought out endeavor, without being properly vetted and researched. It was a response to being out maneuvered by a nearby state, who will also soon be pulling $$$ out of CT with legal marijuana. Approval by the Feds was never , and should never be considered a done deal. Did they think a giant concern like MGM was going to be walked over by Democrat politicians and a deal with the Tribes. How long do you think both of those casinos will be operating? Even scarier, when the revenue keeps declining , which it is , what will replace it ? Where is the vision by Democratic leaders ?


Any Congressman you name, and any American citizen you name is free to pursue all avenues of capital growth and wealth enrichment as long as it is legal. You opinion of whose rights are more important is irrelevant. Not legal ? we have the Justice System. You do realize that insider trading was legal for ALL Senators up until 2012. There is plenty of " greed" and wealth floating around both parties, especially Democrats. Nancy Pelosi may be the wealthiest woman in the history of Politics. And they keep her around because she can bring in the $$$ like no other.


It is much different for Democrats that support illegals. Out of the 95,000 illegals allowed here since 1990 , how many took a job from an American citizen? We have 120,000 here now, and 85,000 unemployed citizens. How much is it costing CT taxpayers to educate, which we must be law , illegal children ? When the children that are American citizens have to share the resources with an illegal , is that right ? Should American children be held to task for those decisions? Does that make a better world for them ? Why is it hard to understand that what is available here for American citizens as a benefit of citizenship should not be available to illegals ? That's ' what Democrats support. They support an increased number of illegals to drain the resources of CT at taxpayer expense. And that is not a future that bodes well for CT. It would be fine if we weren't broke.
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