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Old 01-21-2014, 05:33 PM
 
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Not everyone is an organ donor. And I've read that there is still some brain activity in a person designated as brain dead, just not enough for them to function.
triashguard,

I don't know the source of your information but if there is any brain activity, the person is not brain dead. Thus they can't be donors.

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Old 01-21-2014, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Not everyone is an organ donor. And I've read that there is still some brain activity in a person designated as brain dead, just not enough for them to function.
the definition of death used for every organ donor is brain death. If the heart stops, there is no blood flow to the transplantable organs and they are unsuitable for donation.

The definition of brain death is absence of all functions of the brain, including the brain stem.
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Old 01-21-2014, 05:35 PM
 
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the definition of death used for every organ donor is brain death. If the heart stops, there is no blood flow to the transplantable organs and they are unsuitable for donation.

The definition of brain death is absence of all functions of the brain, including the brain stem.
Exactly!

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Old 01-21-2014, 05:40 PM
 
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Default Lawyer on Offense Today, but Giving the Family an Out

So much of this is know information. However, the family lawyer was published in the L.A. Times today.

What I found interesting about his comments were,

"He noted that elsewhere in the U.S., such as New Jersey, there are personal religious exemptions for those who object to brain death, suggesting Jahi's case would not have been such a spectacle had it occurred there."

"But experts point out that the money the McMath family received from supporters to transfer their daughter will eventually run out, and no amount of artificial help will stop Jahi's body from decomposing."

and

""They know the odds," he wrote. "They want time, free from the threats of the hospital to pull the plug."

So all of this has been about one family, who are Christians, deciding they know better than God when the teen's body should be allowed to rest? Oh, I think not. I think the Institute in NJ is playing a much larger role than is being released to the press. Just my view, and one that frightens me when doctors start to try to reclassify "Coma" from "Brain Death."


Jahi McMath family attorney: 'They are not fools. They know the odds' - latimes.com


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Old 01-21-2014, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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As long as the body doesn't cause a public nuisance when it rots and stinks, I don't see why it should be anyone's concern except those who are paying to not have it buried.
As much as I wouldn't want it living/dying next door to me, I agree.

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The reason for the concern is that this may set a precedent. Conceivably, it could make organ donation very difficult or impossible.
So?

When did the medical profession go from saving to harvesting?

Doctors are not the be all, end all.
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Old 01-21-2014, 06:38 PM
 
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triashguard,

I don't know the source of your information but if there is any brain activity, the person is not brain dead. Thus they can't be donors.

MSR
What You Lose When You Sign That Organ-Donor Card - WSJ.com

By the way, medicine is a science, and what people think is true today may be found to be false 100 years from now. I decided long ago to never be an organ donor and nothing I've seen or heard will ever change that decision.

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In a 1999 article in the peer-reviewed journal Anesthesiology, Gail A. Van Norman, a professor of anesthesiology at the University of Washington, reported a case in which a 30-year-old patient with severe head trauma began breathing spontaneously after being declared brain dead. The physicians said that, because there was no chance of recovery, he could still be considered dead. The harvest proceeded over the objections of the anesthesiologist, who saw the donor move, and then react to the scalpel with hypertension.
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Old 01-21-2014, 06:47 PM
 
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I've failed to understand what organ donorship has to do with this story at all, but that's just me.

But it's worth repeating

cardiac death is not brain death

coma is not brain death
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Old 01-21-2014, 06:49 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I've failed to understand what organ donorship has to do with this story at all, but that's just me.
I think it came about when someone mentioned that keeping her on life support after brain death would render any possibility of her organs being used for transplantation impossible.
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Old 01-21-2014, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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I just wonder what it will finally take to admit she is dead and if they will announce it or just quietly bury her and have all this nightmare they have created over with. At some point this will have to happen. They cannot go on like this forever.
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Old 01-21-2014, 06:57 PM
 
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I've failed to understand what organ donorship has to do with this story at all, but that's just me.

But it's worth repeating

cardiac death is not brain death

coma is not brain death
Brain death came about as a means to procure organs from a person who still had a beating heart.
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