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Old 09-30-2015, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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Life < Property.
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Old 09-30-2015, 06:36 PM
 
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[url=http://www.macombdaily.com/general-news/20150921/updated-bank-robber-shot-by-customer-in-warren]I guess the lefties...oppssssss, anti gunners think this 63 year old should have fought him fist for fist....
I was talking to a friend of mine who's a retired bank executive just the other day about this. He said they'd discontinued armed security guards at all but a few locations.

However, they've got other deterrents like security cameras, dye packs, alarm systems, etc.
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Old 09-30-2015, 06:52 PM
 
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I was talking to a friend of mine who's a retired bank executive just the other day about this. He said they'd discontinued armed security guards at all but a few locations.

However, they've got other deterrents like security cameras, dye packs, alarm systems, etc.

Of course, and how many robberies has that deterred, not just in banks, but everywhere...

I mean, if what you say is true, then there never should have been the robbery in the first place, right?
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Old 09-30-2015, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Florida
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No doubt the anti-gun crowd will try to make hay with this.

Sure, a good guy with a gun inadvertently shot this fellow in the head, but otherwise his vehicle could have been stolen right out from under him and the bad guys could have gotten away.
Man carjacked, witness opens fire at gas station in NE Houston | News - Home
So this is a preemptive strike against the "anti-gun" crowd?

Ok--I'll play.

Good thing a dumb guy with a gun was around to attempt to stop the bad guys.

Now a guy who might have just had his car stolen has a hole in his head. Go NRA!!
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Old 09-30-2015, 09:24 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Of course there are instances where having a gun has stopped a crime - and protected life - no question - but there are many more incidents where the presence of a gun has made things worse. Just compare gun deaths with those in other developed countries - no comparison.
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Old 10-01-2015, 07:58 AM
 
Location: The Jar
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This scares me, too. When there are stories here about mass shootings such as in the movie theatres, someone always says "too bad the movie goers weren't all armed" and I just think, yes, that would have made it so much better, 50 armed panicked people all shooting at once in a dark theater.

I'm not anti-gun, but I am glad NJ's laws are stricter.
Great post!! Exactly!!
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Old 10-01-2015, 09:15 AM
 
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I was talking to a friend of mine who's a retired bank executive just the other day about this. He said they'd discontinued armed security guards at all but a few locations.

However, they've got other deterrents like security cameras, dye packs, alarm systems, etc.
My guess would be the insurance costs for the robbery are lower than the costs of the liability of the security guards.

If you have a bank that is robbed and two of your employees are murdered by the robbers, unless there is some crazy extenuating circumstances, it would be difficult for the employee families to get much of a judgement against the bank. However, if a guard roughly handles a disruptive minority, you're going to see quite the judgment and insurance increase.

I believe the decision to remove guards is based upon financial concerns and not employee safety. That is must my opinion though.
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Old 10-01-2015, 09:17 AM
 
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Great post!! Exactly!!
Really? You are more afraid of a citizen attempting to stop a lunatic executing people than the person walking your way to execute you?

"Thank God that shark drug me underwater as it ate me, I was really concerned about the propeller of the rescue boat."
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Old 10-01-2015, 09:22 AM
 
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My guess would be the insurance costs for the robbery are lower than the costs of the liability of the security guards. If you have a bank that is robbed and two of your employees are murdered by the robbers, unless there is some crazy extenuating circumstances, it would be difficult for the employee families to get much of a judgement against the bank. However, if a guard roughly handles a disruptive minority, you're going to see quite the judgment and insurance increase. I believe the decision to remove guards is based upon financial concerns and not employee safety. That is must my opinion though.
In the past few years I have seen fewer armed guards inside banks but I've seen more armed guards outside banks in the area where ATMs are located.
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Old 10-01-2015, 09:43 AM
 
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My guess would be the insurance costs for the robbery are lower than the costs of the liability of the security guards.

If you have a bank that is robbed and two of your employees are murdered by the robbers, unless there is some crazy extenuating circumstances, it would be difficult for the employee families to get much of a judgement against the bank. However, if a guard roughly handles a disruptive minority, you're going to see quite the judgment and insurance increase.

I believe the decision to remove guards is based upon financial concerns and not employee safety. That is must my opinion though.
I would agree that financial concerns rule.

A complainant would have to show that armed guards demonstrably reduces the probability of deaths occurring with robberies...and I'm sure the insurance companies have done the statistical calculations to prove that having no guards and just handing over the money is less dangerous to employees than armed guards trying to prevent it.
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