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Old 09-07-2017, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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As I posted earlier, they operate more as a business than a charity.

The small local and religious charities do more, give more and are there directly helping the people while the big ones are busy doing spreadsheets and holding organizational meetings.
The big ones you've heard of all operate similarly. There's a plus and minus to this. If you're the charity raising money to FUND research to cure a disease (not raise awareness) it makes sense that the average contributor is not going to know how to best utilize money to distribute it to groups doing research. Also, remember the Red Cross is a HUGE organization. Giving to local charties is more efficient....assuming you give to the correct ones and you know about them. However, if you don't know about them, the charity will have to spend money advertising so you do....and suddenly we are back to where we started, with a big portion of funds being used to advertise the charity.

So, if you are an executive responsible for millions of dollars....the job is really still the same as it would be for any other large organization. If you don't pay the executives....there's a tenancy for the executives to simply find ways to help themselves.

Organization costs money, keeping associations with partners costs money....it's that simple. Expecting 100% of your proceeds to be put to action is not realistic. The highest % tends to go to organizations that benefit from low labor costs. The low labor costs tend to stem from a religious belief in giving back. Yet, people get upset at the religious aspect....yet don't want to pay a secular wage.

Besides, your $20-$100 given at a fund raiser likely doesn't even cover your cost of attendance and promotion. What it does do is drives in enough people who will be appreciative of the big guys who give money that matters.
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Old 09-07-2017, 03:38 PM
 
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It was mentioned in the Snopes article. I wasn't there.
No, it wasn't. Which is why you do not "remember" offhand where the burgers were made or by whom.
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Old 09-07-2017, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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No, it wasn't. Which is why you do not "remember" offhand where the burgers were made or by whom.
This was in the original post and in the Snopes article:

"They showed up HOURS later….when we had already coordinated the delivery of food and supplies with our LOCAL community members (who came out in droves) and The Sky Hope Network through our wonderful State Representative Dade Phelan after just a single phone call."


These supplies/donations were made by OUR LOCAL community members and the Sky Hope Network (not the Red Cross) and the Red Cross wanted them all shipped to their warehouse for processing and distribution"

Apparently it wasn't just about food that the Red Cross members tried to prevent being distributed to people who needed them right then;

"And while we refused to turn away anyone who came on foot or by other means (evacuee or not) or any other church, group, or organization asking for supplies…the Red Cross tried to prevent us from sharing OUR donations (contributed by our community for our community and surrounding areas). The kids that are barefoot need shoes NOW, not two weeks from now…and we had more than enough to share."
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Old 09-07-2017, 03:58 PM
 
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This was in the original post and in the Snopes article:

"They showed up HOURS later….when we had already coordinated the delivery of food and supplies with our LOCAL community members (who came out in droves) and The Sky Hope Network through our wonderful State Representative Dade Phelan after just a single phone call."


These supplies/donations were made by OUR LOCAL community members and the Sky Hope Network (not the Red Cross) and the Red Cross wanted them all shipped to their warehouse for processing and distribution"

Apparently it wasn't just about food that the Red Cross members tried to prevent being distributed to people who needed them right then;

"And while we refused to turn away anyone who came on foot or by other means (evacuee or not) or any other church, group, or organization asking for supplies…the Red Cross tried to prevent us from sharing OUR donations (contributed by our community for our community and surrounding areas). The kids that are barefoot need shoes NOW, not two weeks from now…and we had more than enough to share."
Thanks for proving my point. Nowhere in that does it say WHERE the burgers were made. Name the kitchen. If it was XYZ Restaurant, name it. Why is that so hard?

Perhaps this was the root of the problem. No one was able to tell RC exactly where or how these burgers were made and they were not going to serve food from an anonymous source until it could be verified.
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Old 09-07-2017, 04:06 PM
 
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If I was running the show, I would want the name of the business and the location of the kitchen where these burgers were made. Two very simple questions. Or they should be. No vagueness. If you cannot answer with a specific name and address, you either don't know or reluctant to say. Either way, the food would not be served until the source is identified.
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Old 09-07-2017, 04:34 PM
 
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Too hard to read due to formatting so cannot comment on the original post. However, I agree with those saying the red cross cannot take responsibility for hamburgers cooked by someone else.
Without reading the original post, sounds like someone was muffed about being told no by the RD and probably needs to grow up.
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:51 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Too hard to read due to formatting so cannot comment on the original post. However, I agree with those saying the red cross cannot take responsibility for hamburgers cooked by someone else.
Without reading the original post, sounds like someone was muffed about being told no by the RD and probably needs to grow up.
Except you are commenting on it. How can you comment on something you admit you didn't read and so have no idea what it actually said?
Sounds like someone needs to read before commenting...
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:23 PM
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Did you read the Snopes article? The Red Cross acknowledged everything the woman accused them of was true.
Yes, I read the Snopes article all the way to the end. The ARC stated they were concerned about food safety, which the FB poster omitted, and that the hamburgers were distributed, which was buried in the last paragraph about Texas men. So what was the point of that FB story? Maybe it would have been more helpful to future relief efforts to discuss national charities and policies on food safety issues like an adult instead of acting like a whiny child on social media.

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This was in the original post and in the Snopes article:

"They showed up HOURS later….when we had already coordinated the delivery of food and supplies with our LOCAL community members (who came out in droves) and The Sky Hope Network through our wonderful State Representative Dade Phelan after just a single phone call."


These supplies/donations were made by OUR LOCAL community members and the Sky Hope Network (not the Red Cross) and the Red Cross wanted them all shipped to their warehouse for processing and distribution"

Apparently it wasn't just about food that the Red Cross members tried to prevent being distributed to people who needed them right then;

"And while we refused to turn away anyone who came on foot or by other means (evacuee or not) or any other church, group, or organization asking for supplies…the Red Cross tried to prevent us from sharing OUR donations (contributed by our community for our community and surrounding areas). The kids that are barefoot need shoes NOW, not two weeks from now…and we had more than enough to share."
That suggests that burgers were made by "local community members." To me, multiple cooks in an unknown number of kitchens would be a red flag about distributing the food. The Sky Hope Network is a organization that provides air flights for charity. I doubt Rep Phelan cooked any of the burgers. Nowhere does the FB poster state where the burgers were actually made.

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Old 09-07-2017, 07:28 PM
 
Location: DFW
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If I was running the show, I would want the name of the business and the location of the kitchen where these burgers were made. Two very simple questions. Or they should be. No vagueness. If you cannot answer with a specific name and address, you either don't know or reluctant to say. Either way, the food would not be served until the source is identified.
Ever seen a Texas size BBQ pit on a trailer they drag around behind their pickup trucks? I've seen my Redneck country brothers with huge grills that regularly crank up and feed a crowd. Many of these grills can cook a dozen briskets or 100 hamburgers at the same time.

There were quite a few photos of these big grills cooking and feeding the workers on the scene and in the streets. There is no kitchen.

If you are hungry you get a good meal, say thanks and are grateful. Just wipe your hands first.
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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No, it wasn't. Which is why you do not "remember" offhand where the burgers were made or by whom.
It was. Here is the quote:

"She explained that she believed the hamburgers were eventually distributed to evacuees after they were placed into “ice chests.” A subsequent message from Scott via Matuska in response to the provided Red Cross statement added that “obviously [she] didn’t cook [the] burgers [herself],” indicating they were not “home-cooked food” donations."

FACT CHECK: Did the Red Cross Prevent 400 Hamburgers from Getting to Harvey Victims?
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