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$100,000 + a year? This is rather difficult to believe, but now, I understand it better. Thanks
For residential school? Absolutely. Normally the kids that go to live in schools are very, very low level though, can't talk, walk, IQ of a 1 year old, etc. They are not for kids like this who can function, even if they have behavior problems. He might be sent to special services school district, or they may just place him in a different class with a teacher better equipped to handle him. He is not an anomaly in special ed even in public schools.
Again, you're still being vague about what you think is acceptable restraint.
I know personally of a teacher fired for taking a student into a science work room and using duct tape to tape the child into a chair.
You've done a lot of talking here, but you haven't defined specifically what levels of restraints are and are not acceptable.
I listed many different restraints or examples of them. Using ANY device such as duct tape or tying someone to a chair would NEVER be acceptable. It’s not supposed to be a punishment. I'm not an expert on every restraint in use everywhere. Normally with kids it's put them in a safe room (padded) hold onto them, etc. I told you in the county school they sat on kids on a mat in the Emotionally Disturbed class, but that would probably not fly in a public school. In the moment though you do what you have to in order to keep the child safe in the moment.
I'm not really sure what you're arguing about or what your point is.
Again, you're still being vague about what you think is acceptable restraint.
I know personally of a teacher fired for taking a student into a science work room and using duct tape to tape the child into a chair.
You've done a lot of talking here, but you haven't defined specifically what levels of restraints are and are not acceptable.
Specifically?
Okay, for this 5 year old, a CPI Basket Hold would have been appropriate. It's a 1 person hold where you stand behind the person & use your right hand to grab their left forearm, crossing their arm in FRONT of their body, while grabbing their left forearm with your right hand, crossing it again, in front of their body. The child can then be escorted safely from behind, to a safe room, placed on the mats, while you quickly exit the room & secure the door. There should be full mats on the floor & along the walls to prevent self injury from head banging. There should be a window up high in the door & someone should be observing continuously, never leaving the child unobserved for one second. The time the seclusion starts should be documented. The time it ends should be documented.
Basket Holds are no longer safe for my 6'5" son, as all's he has to do is bend over & he will lift you right off your feet. This has actually happened to me before & I resembled something like a bull rider in a rodeo, being tossed around like a rag doll, until he lunged his head forward & threw me over the top of his head. Not ideal. If I'm not safe; he's not safe.
For bigger kids/adolescents/young adults; a CPI Two Person Hold is more appropriate. Each responder grabs one arm, stiffening the persons elbow backwards, locking in place with their elbow. This leaves the responders standing slightly behind the person on either side, to minimize the chances of headbutting. It's almost impossible for the person to drop to the floor & they can be walked to the safe room.
If the person needing restrained is already throwing punches or objects, responders approach with Ukeru Pads. They resemble padded shields & will deflects blows & airborne objects. My son's school uses these to get close enough to him to place him in a hold. Four people holding the pads surround him from all sides & advance on him. Anyone using Ukeru Pads must be trained. I don't have the training but my son's principal has given verbal authorization for me to be handed a pad during de-escalations before. I typically wear a helmet with a face guard at home.
Exactly. I think some of these poster live in large districts that receive a lot of funding and believe all schools are equal to theirs.
"teachers are trained" what does that mean. We see teachers (as well as people in other positions) who are trained in their jobs but that does not prevent them from not doing their job correctly nor does it guarantee their training was sufficient or even the best way to handle a situation.
Are these teachers who give out questionable assignment and exercises trained, how about the ones who have sexual relations with students. I assume they are trained. Ones that loose it and lay hands on students. I assume they went through training and workshops as well.
Just to add some balance to it -- my school system was the 11th largest in the United States. In my 20 years there, there was no such training on issues of restraint. None. I don't what training actual SPED teachers got when they went out to SPED meetings (which was almost never). But I know what regular ed teachers got (including those, which was all of them, who had mainstreamed SPED kids, and that was NONE.
I listed many different restraints or examples of them. Using ANY device such as duct tape or tying someone to a chair would NEVER be acceptable. It’s not supposed to be a punishment. I'm not an expert on every restraint in use everywhere. Normally with kids it's put them in a safe room (padded) hold onto them, etc. I told you in the county school they sat on kids on a mat in the Emotionally Disturbed class, but that would probably not fly in a public school. In the moment though you do what you have to in order to keep the child safe in the moment.
I'm not really sure what you're arguing about or what your point is.
My point? I don't think you know what happens in the VAST majority of public schools in this regard.
Okay, for this 5 year old, a CPI Basket Hold would have been appropriate. It's a 1 person hold where you stand behind the person & use your right hand to grab their left forearm, crossing their arm in FRONT of their body, while grabbing their left forearm with your right hand, crossing it again, in front of their body. The child can then be escorted safely from behind, to a safe room, placed on the mats, while you quickly exit the room & secure the door. There should be full mats on the floor & along the walls to prevent self injury from head banging. There should be a window up high in the door & someone should be observing continuously, never leaving the child unobserved for one second. The time the seclusion starts should be documented. The time it ends should be documented.
Basket Holds are no longer safe for my 6'5" son, as all's he has to do is bend over & he will lift you right off your feet. This has actually happened to me before & I resembled something like a bull rider in a rodeo, being tossed around like a rag doll, until he lunged his head forward & threw me over the top of his head. Not ideal. If I'm not safe; he's not safe.
For bigger kids/adolescents/young adults; a CPI Two Person Hold is more appropriate. Each responder grabs one arm, stiffening the persons elbow backwards, locking in place with their elbow. This leaves the responders standing slightly behind the person on either side, to minimize the chances of headbutting. It's almost impossible for the person to drop to the floor & they can be walked to the safe room.
If the person needing restrained is already throwing punches or objects, responders approach with Ukeru Pads. They resemble padded shields & will deflects blows & airborne objects. My son's school uses these to get close enough to him to place him in a hold. Four people holding the pads surround him from all sides & advance on him. Anyone using Ukeru Pads must be trained. I don't have the training but my son's principal has given verbal authorization for me to be handed a pad during de-escalations before. I typically wear a helmet with a face guard at home.
My school system had about 24 middle schools, 24 high schools, and 125 elementary schools. Other than special ed centers, I don't know of a single one of those 173 schools (give or take) that had safe rooms with mats.
The school in question in this thread is just a normal K-5 school, not any type of SPED center.
My school system had about 24 middle schools, 24 high schools, and 125 elementary schools. Other than special ed centers, I don't know of a single one of those 173 schools (give or take) that had safe rooms with mats.
The school in question in this thread is just a normal K-5 school, not any type of SPED center.
Mine had over 1700 public schools but if you weren't special needs how would anyone even know that?
Just to add some balance to it -- my school system was the 11th largest in the United States. In my 20 years there, there was no such training on issues of restraint. None. I don't what training actual SPED teachers got when they went out to SPED meetings (which was almost never). But I know what regular ed teachers got (including those, which was all of them, who had mainstreamed SPED kids, and that was NONE.
A child with severe behavioral issues like this wouldn't be mainstreamed, they'd be in a self-contained classroom. I don't know where they get it, I'm sure there is some as part of their education, just like we in OT school had someone from a psych hospital come in and train us what to do if we're being choked from the front, from behind, etc. I don't see how you'd know what every SPED teacher received educationally or their on the job training (which would vary depending on the population of that classroom) or in their continuing ed courses.
It wouldn't be part of training for regular ed teachers.
Mine had over 1700 public schools but if you weren't special needs how would anyone even know that?
In our small districts one would know if they ever have a student in the public school, if they know a teacher or school administrator, or any school staff or anyone associated with the school, or anyone with a special needs child. Because people talk.
My school system had about 24 middle schools, 24 high schools, and 125 elementary schools. Other than special ed centers, I don't know of a single one of those 173 schools (give or take) that had safe rooms with mats.
The school in question in this thread is just a normal K-5 school, not any type of SPED center.
How long have you been retired?
Between 1999-2021 the autism rates rose from 1 in 500, to 1 in 44.
If you were working in primarily high schools into the 2010's, you missed experiencing the influx of the neurodevelopmentally brain damaged students that necessitated the changes. I first saw the transition to actual padded rooms, in gen ed schools here in Colorado, by around 2016. My son's SPED dept in his gen ed D-11 school had them BEFORE he was transferred to BOCES.
Gen ed didn't need them as frequently just a few years ago, as they do now. There are so many SPED students now, that BOCES placements are few & far between, except in emergency situations, like my son was. Justifying a BOCES spot for a 5 year old when there are so many teenagers (who are bigger, stronger & more dangerous) on a waiting list would be difficult. The schools HAVE to accomodate them in the meantime.
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