08-10-2011, 07:39 AM
Location: Lake Highlands
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I think that transcripts should be factored in. I would definitely say 'nay' because of them. We only pick 1 person for president and 50 people for governors. Given such a small pool, this people should be stellar and top notch in every way. I think we end up with these doofuses (and I include Perry as one) because the bar keeps getting lower and lower. We should be picking people who are much more accomplished than ourselves and we should be very picky about it.
This is essentially the point I was trying to make. The Role of POTUS should go to an uniquely qualified individual! While I agree with an earlier comment that being smart doesn't mean you are a good leader, I disagree that you can be dumb, and have the respect of the free world! I don't care what Perry got in gym class, or even English, but a D in economics, is troubling.
08-10-2011, 08:40 AM
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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This transcript only reinforces my feelings about Perry. People who are die-hard supporters won't care anyway. True, people change, but his grades are horrible. Somebody smart but somewhat lazy could still get B's, and I'm an older lady who went to school before grade inflation as well. I agree that being intelligent doesn't mean one will be a great leader, but I want someone very, very smart to be the leader of our country. We have some very big problems to solve.
08-10-2011, 09:03 AM
Location: Texas State Fair
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This is essentially the point I was trying to make. The Role of POTUS should go to an uniquely qualified individual! While I agree with an earlier comment that being smart doesn't mean you are a good leader, I disagree that you can be dumb, and have the respect of the free world! I don't care what Perry got in gym class, or even English, but a D in economics, is troubling.
Economics exams are typically essay response in nature. Maybe the professor just didn't like Perry's writing style, or insert
any excuse.
08-10-2011, 09:17 AM
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Perry's an idiot, plain and simple. Looking at his grades, things make a lot more sense now. I agree with nonexpat; I am lazy but intelligent. I ended up with a 3.5 because although my first two years were mediocre (due to immaturity, which we are giving Perry a pass for), I had enough common sense to realize that a higher GPA would considerably increase my chances of landing a good job upon graduation. And I did.
08-10-2011, 09:32 AM
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This transcript only reinforces my feelings about Perry. People who are die-hard supporters won't care anyway. True, people change, but his grades are horrible. Somebody smart but somewhat lazy could still get B's, and I'm an older lady who went to school before grade inflation as well. I agree that being intelligent doesn't mean one will be a great leader, but I want someone very, very smart to be the leader of our country. We have some very big problems to solve.
My best people don't have college degrees or flunked out. They have shown they can learn on their own and continue to learn on their own. Many have learning disabilities like dyslexia or a deep passion for something that was not offered in school. Or were forced there by parents.
Most people with college degrees are clueless when things are new or some street smarts are required. Or just plain dumb if it is not spelled out for them.
Many of our top military leaders were near the back of their classes at the service academies. Patton comes to mind. So did many of the other men picked by Fox Connor to lead in the coming WWII.
Macarthur had the highest GPA ever at Westpoint and yet was an atrocious battlefield commander and was surrounded by sycophants.
Give me experience and good ideas over brains.
08-10-2011, 03:16 PM
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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My best people don't have college degrees or flunked out. They have shown they can learn on their own and continue to learn on their own. Many have learning disabilities like dyslexia or a deep passion for something that was not offered in school. Or were forced there by parents.
I have no idea what kind of business you run, but to lump most college graduates into a category of being "clueless when things are new" is ridiculous.
Perry flunked organic chemistry in addition to getting numerous D's and C's. He talks in soundbites and panders to the worst elements of his base. This might get him elected here in Texas, but I don't think it would make him a good president.
I have coached something called Destination Imagination and have taught for years. Most of the best students I have had are either very hard working or very smart. They are quick on the uptake, get ideas quickly and can use imagination.
I am sure there are people who don't go to college who are very, very talented. In fact, I know some of these people. I just find it hard to believe that as a group non-college graduates are so very much better than a college grad.
08-10-2011, 03:24 PM
Location: southwestern USA
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I think Mr. Perrys transcripts are irrelevant. I dont know if this country needs an iconoclast scholar now.
08-10-2011, 03:41 PM
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I have no idea what kind of business you run, but to lump most college graduates into a category of being "clueless when things are new" is ridiculous.
Its because they are spoon fed by professors rather than having to start from zero and figure it out themselves. It takes several years to train them to be self directed. Many are not used to setbacks or criticism. And none have any subject matter expertise when they start.
It is deep subject matter expertise developed by years of practice in that area that makes someone employable or productive. Only the individual can develop that and only by deliberately doing it.
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I have coached something called Destination Imagination and have taught for years. Most of the best students I have had are either very hard working or very smart. They are quick on the uptake, get ideas quickly and can use imagination.
That has little to do with being in college. Hard working and smart are not something you get from being in school. One trait is a habit and the other is intelligence that has been developed.
There is a third component called self-directed study that is the key.
College is not self-directed study.
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nonexpat
I am sure there are people who don't go to college who are very, very talented. In fact, I know some of these people. I just find it hard to believe that as a group non-college graduates are so very much better than a college grad.
College trains people to be a certain way and most of what is taught there has little relevance to doing a real job.
A person who spends two years getting an A&P license is far ahead of someone who spent 4 years getting a degree in engineering. Better yet is the kid who spent their youth rebuilding cars or programming computers.
08-10-2011, 03:47 PM
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My best people don't have college degrees or flunked out. They have shown they can learn on their own and continue to learn on their own. Many have learning disabilities like dyslexia or a deep passion for something that was not offered in school. Or were forced there by parents.
Are any of your best people a current or former President of the United States?
08-10-2011, 03:50 PM
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OK I am not as old as Mr. Perry but not THAT far behind him. IMO A&M back then was not that difficult. It just didn't rank as high in prestige and was not as selective. It was seen as a backwater agricultural school by many people - some of that was fair and some was not. Of course I do have some bias as I was an SMU student in the late 70s / early 80s and they were our hated SWC rivals.
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People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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