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Old 05-03-2013, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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You can try it while you're waiting on that peer review study to come out.

Or you can try a low carb and/or paleo approach, which is working for thousands of people everyday right now, not just as a means to lose weight, but for better health.

Sorry, try as you might, you can't shout them all down, but it might win you another $500 on this forum. Good luck
Fine. Get back to us with those thousands who have maintained the loss for more than a year.
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Old 05-04-2013, 03:02 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Most people eat when they are hungry. Most people overeat because they eat too much sugar and refined carbs, causing blood sugar fluctations.
Most people overeat because they overeat everything, not just carbohydrates. Sugar and refined carbohydrates have been demonstrated to be problematic on many levels, even (somewhat counter-intuitively) with heart disease. But you can't use this to argue for a low carbohydrate diet, you don't see the same issues with carbohydrates in whole minimally processed foods. Instead they are correlated with reduced risk for heart disease, lower rates of obesity,etc.
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:32 AM
 
Location: In a house
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Most people overeat because they overeat everything, not just carbohydrates. Sugar and refined carbohydrates have been demonstrated to be problematic on many levels, even (somewhat counter-intuitively) with heart disease. But you can't use this to argue for a low carbohydrate diet, you don't see the same issues with carbohydrates in whole minimally processed foods. Instead they are correlated with reduced risk for heart disease, lower rates of obesity,etc.
Exactly.

The bolded part is the point. The underline s to point out there's a "reduced risk" - which doesn't mean "no risk." Reduced: There will still be some percentage of people who overeat anyway, AND there will still be some people who are "hard-wired" to have slower metabolisms and be overweight anyway, if they are only doing what other people who are -not- hardwired with slower metabolisms are doing. Fast metabolism = can relax somewhat in the diet/exercise routine. Slow metabolism = need to step it up. Normal metabolism = need to be watchful, but not overly stressed about it.

In other words:
Fast metabolism: A healthy balanced diet *except adding* 4 slices of pizza twice a week, one twinkie, and only 2 days at the gym probably won't lead to obesity.
Slow metabolism: A healthy balanced diet and 4 days at the gym might not be enough - it might need to be a *reduced portion* healthy balanced diet, and 4 days at the gym doing more than the usual 20 minutes on the treadmill.
Normal metabolism: A healthy balanced diet and 3 days at the gym will be all that's necessary to lose a few extra pounds.
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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AND there will still be some people who are "hard-wired" to have slower metabolisms and be overweight anyway, if they are only doing what other people who are -not- hardwired with slower metabolisms are doing.
Differences in "metabolism" isn't why some people are overweight and others are not, contrary to popular belief overweight people have higher metabolisms in virtue of being overweight (a larger body requires more energy to run....). When you look at caloric intake in obese and normal weight individuals there is no mystery, the obese individual eat significantly more than the normal weight folks.

Now there may be genetic issues, for example some people are more prone to develop insulin resistance and this can lead to weight gain and overeating. But this is highly dependent on diet as well, that is, when consuming a healthy diet these people won't develop insulin resistance.

When you look at traditional societies obesity is almost nonexistent and these people have no notion of calories, the mechanism of weight gain, etc. That isn't what you'd expect if obesity was largely genetic....
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Fuquay-Varina
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Fine. Get back to us with those thousands who have maintained the loss for more than a year.
Visit Marks' Daily Apple forums and you can see the thousands for yourself, and many of them much longer than a year. The people that fail long-term, as with all diets, are the ones that go back to eating junk on a regular basis because they look at diet habits as a temporary change instead of a permanent one. If a person carries the mindset that dieting is a sacrifice, they will inevitably try to fill that void after having some success at losing weight. Personally, I don't feel as if I sacrificed anything. It is not the only route on the map, but it certainly is an effective one.
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Old 05-05-2013, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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For dietary lifestyles I think its important to distinguish two things:

1.) How easy is it for one to stick to the lifestyle when you're surrounded by a food culture that does otherwise?
2.) How effective is the dietary lifestyle when actually practiced at achieving weight loss, health, etc.

If some dietary lifestyle is #2, but is difficult in terms of #1 then its a problem. This is partly why the medical establishment pushes things like the Mediterranean diet (and similar things), its not because its known to the most healthful but instead that its believed to be something that most people can achieve.

Regardless, any diet that restricts a lot of commonly eaten foods will tend to produce weight loss....so one shouldn't judge the paleo diet along these things. Instead, is it a healthy way of eating? Where is the research showing it promotes health long-term? There isn't any, the entire dietary philosophy is based on fanciful thinking about the past.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Gainesville Fl
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Default The Paleo Diet

The Paleo diet helps many people lose weight because it re-creates the food environment that we evolved for. A ketogenic version of a basic Paleo diet can be modified for weight loss the same way it can be modified for IBS, GERD, Diabetes, or any other medical need. Before you start experimenting, make sure you really do have the fundamentals dialed in...
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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I think the Paleo diet is good, but, it became too difficult for me to maintain, no dairy, no wheat....I don't like red meat or chicken, and don't spend a lot of time on preparing meals....I was eating a lot of salad and tuna on this diet. Diet fail for me. Went back to Atkins, where I could eat dairy.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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The Paleo diet helps many people lose weight because it re-creates the food environment that we evolved for. A ketogenic version of a basic Paleo diet can be modified for weight loss the same way it can be modified for IBS, GERD, Diabetes, or any other medical need. Before you start experimenting, make sure you really do have the fundamentals dialed in...
Except, we did not "evolve for" the Paleo food environment. We evolved FROM it. We are no longer Paelolithic man. That species no longer exists. Our environments are not Paleolithic environments, the meats we eat are not cut off of Paleolithic animals. Both the environments AND the animals also evolved.

What humans have done - which is what they're particularly good at, is ADAPTING. We are omnivorous, our bodies are designed to digest both flesh and non-flesh, and further, they are designed to do it more efficiently than if they excluded either from their diet. That is why vegans have to have either fortified foods, or take supplements. And that is why you won't find any obligate carnivores among any of the human species.
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Old 05-05-2013, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Prospect, KY
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Except, we did not "evolve for" the Paleo food environment. We evolved FROM it. We are no longer Paelolithic man. That species no longer exists. Our environments are not Paleolithic environments, the meats we eat are not cut off of Paleolithic animals. Both the environments AND the animals also evolved.

What humans have done - which is what they're particularly good at, is ADAPTING. We are omnivorous, our bodies are designed to digest both flesh and non-flesh, and further, they are designed to do it more efficiently than if they excluded either from their diet. That is why vegans have to have either fortified foods, or take supplements. And that is why you won't find any obligate carnivores among any of the human species.
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