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So your answer is that each parent, after putting in a long, hard day at whatever job they have...should give up what precious little leisure time they have left, and, instead of enjoying themselves watching TV...invest it in their child's future? What a novel concept. Good luck getting THAT idea to catch on.
That sort of thing ended around the time Boomers became parents instead of students. Because Boomers never thought about anyone but themselves once they hit adulthood. And sadly, my generation, the Xers....we learned what we observed in our elders.
Actually, that kind of thing never existed even before Boomers. WWII parents were not checking their Boomer children's homework. For one thing, they were working hard enough to be completely spent by the time they got home. For the other, they simply weren't educated well enough.
So a kid is taking five subjects from five different college-educated teachers who are supposedly experts in their subjects. He takes all that homework home and the parent--who has a 70% chance of not even having a college education--is supposed "know the material" and determine whether all five of those teachers are teaching their subjects properly?
And we're talking about this happening in the areas that have failing schools?
A parent might be highly concerned about her sick child's health, and still not be able to double-guess a doctor's diagnosis. She might be highly concerned about her automobile's operation and still not be able to double-guess a mechanic's diagnosis.
That aspect has nothing to do with parents' attitudes attitudes. It's just not reasonable to expect of parents that they know just as much as all of their kids' teachers combined.
Actually, that kind of thing never existed even before Boomers. WWII parents were not checking their Boomer children's homework. For one thing, they were working hard enough to be completely spent by the time they got home. For the other, they simply weren't educated well enough.
So a kid is taking five subjects from five different college-educated teachers who are supposedly experts in their subjects. He takes all that homework home and the parent--who has a 70% chance of not even having a college education--is supposed "know the material" and determine whether all five of those teachers are teaching their subjects properly?
And we're talking about this happening in the areas that have failing schools?
A parent might be highly concerned about her sick child's health, and still not be able to double-guess a doctor's diagnosis. She might be highly concerned about her automobile's operation and still not be able to double-guess a mechanic's diagnosis.
That aspect has nothing to do with parents' attitudes attitudes. It's just not reasonable to expect of parents that they know just as much as all of their kids' teachers combined.
Boomer's parents didn't need to check their children's homework because they had already taught their children to value education and that learning was their job. My parents never checked my homework or even asked if I had any but I knew damned well I would not sit down for a month if I came home with unacceptable grades. My parents would blame me not my teacher if I failed to work up to my potential and I knew it so I did what needed to be done.
Teachers are not diagnosticians so comparing us to doctors or mechanics doesn't work. When kids need to be diagnosed with an issue, you call in experts like I did. I paid $225 to have my daughter's reading evaluated by an expert in reading issues. Just as I'd pay for a second opinion if I didn't agree with a doctor's diagnosis or demand further testing. In fact I had asked the school to evaluate her reading but all they did was check to see that she was reading on grade level which she was. So I paid for an outside evaluation.
I'm a physical science/math teacher not an expert in learning issues. I can tell you which kids are not on grade level but I can't tell you why they are not on grade level. In my dd's case she was on grade level. There were no alarm bells going off at the school. I just didn't like that she guessed words incorrectly when she encountered a word she did not know. I had no idea if it even was a problem. The school said she was on grade level so I paid for a second opinion.
And yes, I think that a parent should spend some time with their kids at the end of the day as opposed to watching TV. Working for a living does not absolve one of the responsibility of actually raising one's kids.
And no, the parent is not supposed to determine if I am teaching my subject properly. That's my area of expertise. However, their child is their area of expertise. They will likely know first if a child is struggling with the material. I might not even see them struggle as I don't watch them do their homework. I would never know, until test time, that Johnny was googling the answers to the homework because he didn't get it. Someone has to tell me Johnny isn't getting it. If he sits in class and asks no questions and turns in his homework completed, what is there to tip me off that he doesn't understand what I'm teaching him? Parents live with kids from birth. They should know when there is something wrong.
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And yes, I think that a parent should spend some time with their kids at the end of the day as opposed to watching TV. Working for a living does not absolve one of the responsibility of actually raising one's kids.
We were talking about education, and I related my own education experience. My education experience from the seven year old perspective I had when "education" was being imposed on me. Thus, I delivered what I said from that perspective. If you cannot or will not understand why I did that, then you totally missed my point, anyway, so how about you just ignore me? Or I could put you on my ignore list if you will not stop making what I feel to be personal attacks.
I don't care if you put me on your ignore list. If you're going to call kids names,independent of who you're channeling, I'm going to call you on it.
So your answer is that each parent, after putting in a long, hard day at whatever job they have...should give up what precious little leisure time they have left, and, instead of enjoying themselves watching TV...invest it in their child's future? What a novel concept. Good luck getting THAT idea to catch on.
Actually, that kind of thing never existed even before Boomers. WWII parents were not checking their Boomer children's homework. For one thing, they were working hard enough to be completely spent by the time they got home. For the other, they simply weren't educated well enough.
So a kid is taking five subjects from five different college-educated teachers who are supposedly experts in their subjects. He takes all that homework home and the parent--who has a 70% chance of not even having a college education--is supposed "know the material" and determine whether all five of those teachers are teaching their subjects properly?
These kids are not learning college material. Most parents have a HS education, which is what they should know.
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And we're talking about this happening in the areas that have failing schools?
A parent might be highly concerned about her sick child's health, and still not be able to double-guess a doctor's diagnosis. She might be highly concerned about her automobile's operation and still not be able to double-guess a mechanic's diagnosis.
That aspect has nothing to do with parents' attitudes attitudes. It's just not reasonable to expect of parents that they know just as much as all of their kids' teachers combined.
The less knowledgable a person is the more likely they are to get screwed. The why's don't matter.
And no, the parent is not supposed to determine if I am teaching my subject properly. That's my area of expertise. However, their child is their area of expertise. They will likely know first if a child is struggling with the material. I might not even see them struggle as I don't watch them do their homework. I would never know, until test time, that Johnny was googling the answers to the homework because he didn't get it. Someone has to tell me Johnny isn't getting it. If he sits in class and asks no questions and turns in his homework completed, what is there to tip me off that he doesn't understand what I'm teaching him? Parents live with kids from birth. They should know when there is something wrong.
Exactly. And there isn't a way for a parent to know if their kid is struggling if they don't know what the kid is doing in the first place.
I don't care if you put me on your ignore list. If you're going to call kids names,independent of who you're channeling, I'm going to call you on it.
I did not call kids names. I said that WAS MY PERSPECTIVE AT AGE SEVEN...My perspective THEN was not that I was a genius, but that THEY were dummies.
I thought I made it very clear that I was stating my then seven-year-old perspective...not my current perspective.
Now if you're going to continue to give me a hard time over it, then I am going to put you on ignore. Because I am not going to take your abuse over what my perspective at age seven was....any seven year old would have had that same perspective.
I did not call kids names. I said that WAS MY PERSPECTIVE AT AGE SEVEN...My perspective THEN was not that I was a genius, but that THEY were dummies.
I thought I made it very clear that I was stating my then seven-year-old perspective...not my current perspective.
Now if you're going to continue to give me a hard time over it, then I am going to put you on ignore. Because I am not going to take your abuse over what my perspective at age seven was....any seven year old would have had that same perspective.
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