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Old 08-10-2012, 07:34 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I think that he thinks Ron Paul is racist and that Ron Paul would strip the rights of black citizens, which couldn't be further from the truth! And for the record, were it the truth I couldn't support the guy.

You mean strip the special rights, black Americans have in this nation, that other races don't get the privilege of being granted?

All that you talk about, is what has actually split us farther apart. Creating resentment, with entitlement.
I judge everyone by their character, not by the color of their skin.
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:42 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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You mean strip the special rights, black Americans have in this nation, that other races don't get the privilege of being granted?

All that you talk about, is what has actually split us farther apart. Creating resentment, with entitlement.
I judge everyone by their character, not by the color of their skin.

That is exactly how I roll! Why should I feel guilty for something that happened in the past that I was ABSOLUTELY NOT part of! Every country has dark moments in their history. Learn from it, and move on!
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:57 AM
 
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I think that he thinks Ron Paul is racist and that Ron Paul would strip the rights of black citizens, which couldn't be further from the truth! And for the record, were it the truth I couldn't support the guy.

As a foreign observor of this campaign watching it unfold, I've wondered how people come to the conclusions they do, what logic are they using to form an opinion about a candidate?

For anyone of African American ethinicity to presume that their life is going to be better rather than worse based on a particular candidate shows a complete lack of cognitive reasoning.

Will your life be better due to the continuance or increase in welfare based programs? Will your life be better through the perception that a bias towards your ethinicity will enhance hiring prospects? Will your life improve through a better fiscal policy touted by someone who hasn't performed that tangible fact?

Surely it must come to people's attention from time to time that for their life prospects to actually improve; the country as a whole must improve, either on a fiscal footing or a moral one.

Far too much is made of the "appearance" of your various candidates which tells you absolutely nothing of a person's character or intelligence. Far too much weight is applied to the phony religiousity of your candidates as it is demonstrably too easy to declare your religiouisty but live a life of complete disdain for your fellow man. You just cannot tell from a stated position.

You must look to facts on record to ascertain the political currency of any candidate with questions such as:

Constitutional beliefs; which candidate has demonstrated through actions or behaviour a respect for your constitution? Has illegal immigration been discouraged or has it merely been given lip-service while courting the votes is still of paramount importance? The weight and substance of the SCOTUS; has it been abrogated to further an agenda of illegality in law enforcement? Has it been used and abused to influence an end run around constitutional mandates?

Fiscal beliefs: Have various candidates demonstrated a fiscal based understanding of the economic woes of political interferance with the economy to the extent that things have improved vis-vis budgeting responsibly to handle a completely 'out-of-control-debt-run-up'? Have any of the candidates demonstrated an understanding of how the country is made vulnerable to debt-holder influence on all things from environment to natural resources?

Moral underpinnings: Have the various candidates actually 'walked the walk' or have they demonstrated a complete turnaround once on the campaign trail. Has any one candidate stood out for his past position being maintained on various votes in the house or proposed legislation? Has the person currently occupying the White House stood out for anything he purported to be for or against during past presidency's? Has he kept his word?

You have the luxury of viewing past administrations through the lens of a microscope that many countries would dearly love to be able to do. Do you use this feature wisely or do you simply ignore all past statements and behaviours of current candidates to look instead at the haircut, the wardrobe, the silly and absolutely repugnant attack ads?

The various candidates were all reasonably public figures during the Bush years and do any of them stand out for their stated positions on any of his policies as having lived up to those statements or have they instead showed a complete waffling of position to suit the various tidal flow of public opinion?

When considering any or all of this stuff; which candidate has displayed an integrity of position that would lead you to TRUST him?
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:25 AM
 
Location: SC
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Originally Posted by BruSan View Post
As a foreign observor of this campaign watching it unfold, I've wondered how people come to the conclusions they do, what logic are they using to form an opinion about a candidate?

For anyone of African American ethinicity to presume that their life is going to be better rather than worse based on a particular candidate shows a complete lack of cognitive reasoning.

Will your life be better due to the continuance or increase in welfare based programs? Will your life be better through the perception that a bias towards your ethinicity will enhance hiring prospects? Will your life improve through a better fiscal policy touted by someone who hasn't performed that tangible fact?

Surely it must come to people's attention from time to time that for their life prospects to actually improve; the country as a whole must improve, either on a fiscal footing or a moral one.

Far too much is made of the "appearance" of your various candidates which tells you absolutely nothing of a person's character or intelligence. Far too much weight is applied to the phony religiousity of your candidates as it is demonstrably too easy to declare your religiouisty but live a life of complete disdain for your fellow man. You just cannot tell from a stated position.

You must look to facts on record to ascertain the political currency of any candidate with questions such as:

Constitutional beliefs; which candidate has demonstrated through actions or behaviour a respect for your constitution? Has illegal immigration been discouraged or has it merely been given lip-service while courting the votes is still of paramount importance? The weight and substance of the SCOTUS; has it been abrogated to further an agenda of illegality in law enforcement? Has it been used and abused to influence an end run around constitutional mandates?

Fiscal beliefs: Have various candidates demonstrated a fiscal based understanding of the economic woes of political interferance with the economy to the extent that things have improved vis-vis budgeting responsibly to handle a completely 'out-of-control-debt-run-up'? Have any of the candidates demonstrated an understanding of how the country is made vulnerable to debt-holder influence on all things from environment to natural resources?

Moral underpinnings: Have the various candidates actually 'walked the walk' or have they demonstrated a complete turnaround once on the campaign trail. Has any one candidate stood out for his past position being maintained on various votes in the house or proposed legislation? Has the person currently occupying the White House stood out for anything he purported to be for or against during past presidency's? Has he kept his word?

You have the luxury of viewing past administrations through the lens of a microscope that many countries would dearly love to be able to do. Do you use this feature wisely or do you simply ignore all past statements and behaviours of current candidates to look instead at the haircut, the wardrobe, the silly and absolutely repugnant attack ads?

The various candidates were all reasonably public figures during the Bush years and do any of them stand out for their stated positions on any of his policies as having lived up to those statements or have they instead showed a complete waffling of position to suit the various tidal flow of public opinion?

When considering any or all of this stuff; which candidate has displayed an integrity of position that would lead you to TRUST him?
Which candidate has walked the walk? That's easy. It's Ron Paul of course. He's the most trustworthy by FAR.
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:34 AM
 
Location: SC
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This proves that Ron Paul is also the only one who cares. He's the only one with real solutions and he isn't waiting around for nominations and elections to try to do something about an impending currency collapse by allowing a competing currency!


Ron Paul's Last Attempt To Avoid Dollar Collapse - YouTube
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:45 AM
 
Location: SC
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Ron Paul on "Center Seat" says he's in 3rd place for the race for the Presidency! (I think he means second place.) He's questioned as to what his positions would be if he were President. Well it is ABOUT TIME! Actually, maybe it is a recent upload of an old show. Anyway, it is interesting.


Ron Paul on Center Seat - YouTube

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Old 08-10-2012, 08:59 AM
 
Location: SC
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Just a reminder that Ron Paul is surging to the point that Romney has to stoop to these levels to try to steal the nomination.


How the GOP screwed Ron Paul; America's only candidate.mp4 - YouTube
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Old 08-10-2012, 01:00 PM
 
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Just a reminder that Ron Paul is surging to the point that Romney has to stoop to these levels to try to steal the nomination.


How the GOP screwed Ron Paul; America's only candidate.mp4 - YouTube
The depths of lowness from the Romney RNC group appears to know no bounds. Disgusting. Good for Ben covering the real news.
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Old 08-10-2012, 01:47 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Just a reminder that Ron Paul is surging to the point that Romney has to stoop to these levels to try to steal the nomination.


How the GOP screwed Ron Paul; America's only candidate.mp4 - YouTube
Yeah, that's pretty hardball.
Again though, even this commenter is admits Romney has the nomination locked up. As he puts it - at this stage it's about creating the APPEARANCE of a unified party.
Romney WILL be the nominee.

Ken
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:55 PM
 
Location: SC
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Yeah, that's pretty hardball.
Again though, even this commenter is admits Romney has the nomination locked up. As he puts it - at this stage it's about creating the APPEARANCE of a unified party.
Romney WILL be the nominee.

Ken
You are not thinking about one thing. They don't have the delegates to create the appearance of a unified party...not by a LONG SHOT! Look at how Romney is trying dictate the behavior of Maine delegates at the RNC. They will NEVER stand for that.
In fact they might not even show up! How will that look? http://www.dailypaul.com/248356/main...ns-rnc-boycott

http://thetippingpoint.bangordailyne...-rnc-conflict/

Romney won't get the "appearance" he wants. If the nomination is done honestly, and votes are counted correctly, he won't be nominated during the first go around because he has nowhere near the 1140 delegates he needs to do that.

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