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Old 03-24-2013, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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I would rather see him in another type of spotlight. Presidential politics is too dirty, and would turn him into something other than the honest straight-shooter he is today.
Maybe a talk radio host, tv commentator, tea-party spokesman, book writer, maybe a Congressman, but not President. That would destroy him.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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I seriously doubt it at least at the current moment. Maybe he should try for congress or something first. I also don't think he has any new ideas, he is spouting the same tired old GOP line of govern the country by the bible and favor the rich that they have been using for years.

Reminder: Congress has an approval rate at about minus a bazillion. And you want another of those fools
to run for prez! The hideous freak of nature we have now has set America back like never before.

God help us!

And of course you haven't listened to a word Dr. Carson has said or you wouldn't have such a ridiculous opinion of him.

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The simple answer--No. He's not a career politician, and that's a good thing, but I don't think he has the skill base to juggle congress and tackle an entire facet of issues.

I think he would best serve politically as an advisor on health care of some sort.
Skill base? Oh, that's funny stuff!

The insane POS we have now can't even put forth a budget.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:34 PM
 
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Truth is, that's part of the appeal of being a black Republican; you get to move to the front of the line. That will not happen if you're a black Democrat. You've gotta work your way up past a lot of white establishment Democrats. It's a tougher road to be a black Democrat.

Obama is an exception for a few reasons, but the main one is money. Early on in his career, he was an exceptional fundraiser. When he became a Senator, he was raising a RIDICULOUS amount of money for other Democrats nationally just by showing up and giving a speech. Democratic party elders took notice and thought that they were on to something. If you can raise money, that's some serious value.

Secondly, the Dems were smart enough to look at the demographic shift and draw some conclusions. It has always been said that if we ever had a black president, he'd be a conservative. Like most people, i believed it too (and let's face it, Obama ain't all that liberal regardless of what folks say). It only makes sense to believe that. The Dems realized that nominating Obama was a now or never proposition. What better time to run a black candidate than in 2008? The outgoing administration was unpopular, and the chance that another Republican would win was slim to none. So you run a woman and a black...huge parts of your base. It's a win-win.

That aside, the Republican party is still a great place to be if you're a black conservative. There's no better place to be. You'll be celebrated, folks will hang on your every word, you'll raise lots of money, you get to be on all the top conservative news outlets, Hannity and O'Reilly will have you on every few weeks....and as long as you don't rock the boat, life is good.

Look at Ben Carson. Who knew who he was two hours ago? But he's seen as dissing Obama at a prayer breakfast, and he's on top of the world in conservative circles. Hell, i've seen him on ABC not too long ago. Simply put, Republicans love their black folks.

You can label it as Affirmative Action if you want; that's cool. I mean, i guess it is. But if Republicans claim that they don't have a problem with blacks, but it's actually vice versa, then why act as if you THINK you do? If you want black conservatives in the party as a matter of principle (the idea that the party is open to everyone) then that's fine.

But to wave these people around so as to say "hey African Americans, we really DO like black people," it comes off as lame and unauthentic. You don't have to parade insignificant party members like Mia Love around as if she matters more than she really does. It has an air of desperation about it.

In any case, the Republicans have a right to run the party as they choose. I'm just making my observations.
It's just refreshing to see blacks that aren't racists, and don't have that chip on their shoulder like they have something to prove. This man is accomplished and could be an inspiration, if given an opportunity. The democrats can't have that, the slaves might start thinking for themselves.
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Truth is, that's part of the appeal of being a black Republican; you get to move to the front of the line. That will not happen if you're a black Democrat. You've gotta work your way up past a lot of white establishment Democrats. It's a tougher road to be a black Democrat.

Obama is an exception for a few reasons, but the main one is money. Early on in his career, he was an exceptional fundraiser. When he became a Senator, he was raising a RIDICULOUS amount of money for other Democrats nationally just by showing up and giving a speech. Democratic party elders took notice and thought that they were on to something. If you can raise money, that's some serious value.

Secondly, the Dems were smart enough to look at the demographic shift and draw some conclusions. It has always been said that if we ever had a black president, he'd be a conservative. Like most people, i believed it too (and let's face it, Obama ain't all that liberal regardless of what folks say). It only makes sense to believe that. The Dems realized that nominating Obama was a now or never proposition. What better time to run a black candidate than in 2008? The outgoing administration was unpopular, and the chance that another Republican would win was slim to none. So you run a woman and a black...huge parts of your base. It's a win-win.

That aside, the Republican party is still a great place to be if you're a black conservative. There's no better place to be. You'll be celebrated, folks will hang on your every word, you'll raise lots of money, you get to be on all the top conservative news outlets, Hannity and O'Reilly will have you on every few weeks....and as long as you don't rock the boat, life is good.

Look at Ben Carson. Who knew who he was two hours ago? But he's seen as dissing Obama at a prayer breakfast, and he's on top of the world in conservative circles. Hell, i've seen him on ABC not too long ago. Simply put, Republicans love their black folks.

You can label it as Affirmative Action if you want; that's cool. I mean, i guess it is. But if Republicans claim that they don't have a problem with blacks, but it's actually vice versa, then why act as if you THINK you do? If you want black conservatives in the party as a matter of principle (the idea that the party is open to everyone) then that's fine.

But to wave these people around so as to say "hey African Americans, we really DO like black people," it comes off as lame and unauthentic. You don't have to parade insignificant party members like Mia Love around as if she matters more than she really does. It has an air of desperation about it.

In any case, the Republicans have a right to run the party as they choose. I'm just making my observations.
Well stated, again. I think what you are missing about Mia Love is her libertarian appeal. Ronald Reagan once said that libertarianism is the heart and soul of conservatism. How many congressional candidates, white, black or other, are known for quoting Bastiat and talking about 'agency.' What you mistakenly assume is an 'air of desperation' is just ideology. There is the same buzz surrounding Rand Paul. It's not about race, it's about ideas.
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Old 03-25-2013, 12:23 AM
 
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It's just refreshing to see blacks that aren't racists, and don't have that chip on their shoulder like they have something to prove. This man is accomplished and could be an inspiration, if given an opportunity. The democrats can't have that, the slaves might start thinking for themselves.
Most blacks aren't racists.

Most blacks don't have a chip on their shoulder nor do they feel that they have something to prove to you.

Obviously Ben Carson is accomplished (that's obvious) and COULD be an inspiration? Who said that he isn't already one? If given an opportunity? Who says that he hasn't already been given that opportunity? You?

The Democrats "can't have that?" What does that mean? There are no accomplished black Democrats? You wanna put some money on that?

And who in the hell is a "slave?"

You're all over the place with the nonsense.
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Well stated, again. I think what you are missing about Mia Love is her libertarian appeal. Ronald Reagan once said that libertarianism is the heart and soul of conservatism. How many congressional candidates, white, black or other, are known for quoting Bastiat and talking about 'agency.' What you mistakenly assume is an 'air of desperation' is just ideology. There is the same buzz surrounding Rand Paul. It's not about race, it's about ideas.
I wondered if anyone even remembered Reagans statements about libartarianism?

Nita
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Old 03-25-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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I wondered if anyone even remembered Reagans statements about libartarianism?

Nita
I wonder if you remember all the times he raised taxes?

I get it, you guys love some Reagan but throwing his name in a post about a politician or in a speech doesn't transform them into Reagan.

Reagan would be a Rhino or cast out of the party if he was alive today.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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Everything I've heard him say is the usual talking points. What's so different about Carson?
African American + Republican talking points = presidential candidate.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:17 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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nope. it is not going to happen
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:37 PM
 
Location: NC
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Reminder: Congress has an approval rate at about minus a bazillion. And you want another of those fools
to run for prez! The hideous freak of nature we have now has set America back like never before.

God help us!

And of course you haven't listened to a word Dr. Carson has said or you wouldn't have such a ridiculous opinion of him.
Ah so I was just imagining it when I read him talking about tithing 10% and that was his reasoning for a flat tax, because the bible has a flat tithe? Thanks...Oh wait he actually did say that Just any other old fashioned Rightwinger trying to re-brand himself.

Also he hasn't held any office and he is just going to waltz into the presidency?
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