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View Poll Results: Democrats who do you choose now
Clinton 3 8.11%
Sanders 34 91.89%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-29-2015, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The matchup won't happen. Elizabeth Warren won't give up her Senate seat for the Vice Presidency, ever.
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Old 04-30-2015, 05:34 AM
 
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I doubt that Bernard "Bernie" Sanders will win the nomination, but I would vote for him. While I may disagree with some of his positions, I have agreed with others.

However, I feel that he is an honest person, which cannot be said for Hillary Rodham Clinton. I see where Senator Sanders is one of the poorer members of the Senate (less than $500,000), which means either he is utterly honest, or he has yet figured out how to loot campaign and lobby money for himself.
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Old 04-30-2015, 06:02 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I'm throwing my hat in to Sanders. He needs to expose her right-wing, free trade loving tendencies for all to see
Why do you people like socialists so much?
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Old 04-30-2015, 06:30 AM
 
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Why do you people like socialists so much?
Listening to Limbaugh doesn't make you smart.
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Old 04-30-2015, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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the last thing America needs is a far lefty socialist/fascist like sanders or warren

Obama is already too far to the left, and the Clintons were still lefties, moderate lefties, but still too far to the left
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Old 04-30-2015, 06:54 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Though I'm not a Democrat if Sanders were nominated and Rand Paul were not I would vote for him over the GOP choice. Sanders' stance on trade, foreign policy, and corporate influence in the electoral process as well as the fact that he is honest and not corrupt would make pull the lever for him. I may not always agree with him, but like Ralph Nader (who I actually voted for in 2008), I respect him for his strong commitment to his principles and his ability to resist corruption.
This shows you have no political convictions whatsoever. The difference between a socialist and a capitalist is so stark, you couldn't possibly be so confused as to pick a socialist over a GOP candidate if Rand Paul was not the nominee.

There are issues, and there are political systems. Socialists offer government solutions to issues. Capitalists believe the free market and individuals are best able to solve human problems, and for nearly two hundred years of our history, America has proven this to be true. There is a reason so many have left their homelands and come to America to begin new lives, often leaving everything behind, and coming with nothing but the clothes on their backs. "Promised land, the land of plenty, rich and gold. Here came dreamers, with Bible, fist, and gun." (From the movie, "Paint Your Wagon")

Oppressive governments under socialism offer nothing. The question for Americans is, which way will we go? What are we going to leave for our children and grand children? Are we going to abandon them and leave them with nothing more than what the rest of the world offers? Or are we going to leave them with the hope and promise that our forefathers left us?

The Obama Administration has opened a window into America's future under socialism. Government bureaucracy controlling every aspect of life (and now, even our health care!). A government that takes note of who agrees with them, and who doesn't (the IRS targeting of conservative organizations). Scant opportunity to improve ones standard of living. Everything controlled by some government agency. Bureaucrats deciding what's best for you, not you deciding what's best for your own happiness. Everything is done with a view toward the "collective" not what's best for you as an individual. "Individualism" is not in the Socialist lexicon. The individual does not matter.

Time to decide, folks. There is a line in the sand. Which side are you on? The side which says, "Liberty" or the side which says, "Serfdom"?
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Old 04-30-2015, 06:57 AM
 
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This shows you have no political convictions whatsoever. The difference between a socialist and a capitalist is so stark, you couldn't possibly be so confused as to pick a socialist over a GOP candidate if Rand Paul was not the nominee.

There are issues, and there are political systems. Socialists offer government solutions to issues. Capitalists believe the free market and individuals are best able to solve human problems, and for nearly two hundred years of our history, America has proven this to be true. There is a reason so many have left their homelands and come to America to begin new lives, often leaving everything behind, and coming with nothing but the clothes on their backs. "Promised land, the land of plenty, rich and gold. Hear came dreamers, with Bible, fist, and gun." (From the movie, "Paint Your Wagon")

Oppressive governments under socialism offer nothing. The question for Americans is, which way will we go? What are we going to leave for our children and grand children? Are we going to abandon them and leave them with nothing more than what the rest of the world offers? Or are we going to leave them with the hope and promise that our forefathers left us?

The Obama Administration is window into the future under socialism. Government bureaucracy controlling every aspect of life (and now, even our health care!). Scant opportunity to improve ones standard of living. Everything controlled by some government agency. Bureaucrats deciding what's best for you, not you deciding what's best for your own happiness. Everything is done with a view toward the "collective" not what's best for you as an individual. "Individualism" is not in the Socialist lexicon. The individual does not matter.

Time to decide, folks. There is a line in the sand. Which side are you on? The side which says, "Liberty" or the side which says, "Serfdom"?
Senator Sanders is running for President, not dictator. Even if he were elected, without a compliant Congress (currently held by the Republican party) the country is safe.
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Old 04-30-2015, 07:05 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Senator Sanders is running for President, not dictator. Even if he were elected, without a compliant Congress (currently held by the Republican party) the country is safe.
Sanders is a big government, "Democratic Socialist" (or "Marxist/socialist a.k.a., "Progressive"). The only difference between what Sanders is and Barack Obama is that Sanders admits what he is.

There is little difference between what Sanders is and a dictator. Look at what we have with Barack Obama. We have, for all intents and purposes, a dictator. Things could get worse, and if we keep electing these socialists, they will.

It's time for restoration. Restoration of the nearly perfect system that our Founders gave us. It is the best hope for mankind.
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Old 04-30-2015, 07:06 AM
 
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Senator Sanders is running for President, not dictator. Even if he were elected, without a compliant Congress (currently held by the Republican party) the country is safe.
That's what we Republicans thought after the 2014 election results, Boehner has shown us otherwise.
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Old 04-30-2015, 07:15 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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This man is dangerous!

I am tired of hearing about this phoney "war" on "America's working class." The only war on American "workers," (and by this I mean all people who work not just blue collar types) is being waged by the likes of Bernie Sanders, and all his like minded Socialist friends.

It's interesting that he doesn't note George Soros, the richest man in the world, that funds the Leftist media (which is all of the "mainstream" media), and so many Leftist organizations.

I can't even stand to listen to this garbage. I couldn't listen to this entire rant, because I thought I was going to throw up!

The meme here is that there is only so much wealth, and the so-called top 1% are greedy, and want it all for themselves.

But, wealth is not finite. There is not some big "pie" that gets divided up, with (as Sanders wants you to believe) the largest "slice" going to the richest, who are so greedy, they want "more, and more."

Wealth is created. It is created by work and investment, entrepreneurship, and any number of ways which happens by individual effort. Individual achievement.

What Sanders wants, limits a persons ability to achieve and accumulate wealth. But, he doesn't want you to know that, because he is a big government socialist that wants to control your life.

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