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Old 04-07-2016, 10:32 AM
 
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you mean the ones that Bernie votes to keep funding?
I've covered this. My points were ignored then and would be again.
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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This is true.....an interesting anecdote. We have a poodle with cataracts. We decided to take her to a specialist vet to see if they could do anything.

I was amazed at the quality care that our dog got there. The vet told us the possibilities and exactly what each would cost up front.

We had the testing done and unfortunately there was nothing that could be done. They didn't try and convince us otherwise either.

Why can't we do this for people?



I absolutely agree. Room charges and all should be up front and transparent.
Yup, I mean I'm sure there are some procedures that are going to be so complex or new that it would be hard to price, but I bet thats probably less than 10% of the things that people see doctors for.

And yeah, obviously things like room charges, physical therapy, use of simple supplies like bandages, simple drugs, all that good stuff...should be very easy to make the prices transparent. I'm only left to assume that the doctors/hospitals/drug companies manipulate things to their benefit because they have the shroud of secrecy provided by the system.
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:41 AM
 
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Yup, I mean I'm sure there are some procedures that are going to be so complex or new that it would be hard to price, but I bet thats probably less than 10% of the things that people see doctors for.

And yeah, obviously things like room charges, physical therapy, use of simple supplies like bandages, simple drugs, all that good stuff...should be very easy to make the prices transparent. I'm only left to assume that the doctors/hospitals/drug companies manipulate things to their benefit because they have the shroud of secrecy provided by the system.
"Nurse, I have a headache".

Nurse: Sure I can get you an aspirin and a glass of water.

That will be $12.50 for the aspirin and $4.00 for the water.

" no thanks......ill sleep it off and have the wife bring one from home".
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:52 AM
 
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"Nurse, I have a headache".

Nurse: Sure I can get you an aspirin and a glass of water.

That will be $12.50 for the aspirin and $4.00 for the water.

" no thanks......ill sleep it off and have the wife bring one from home".
I wish that was the extent of it. I actually had a simple procedure in/out the same day with some mild anesthesia and the total bill was $16k, $4k of which was literally billed as "Other adjustments" and I couldn't get an answer to what it was other than "why are you so concerned, its covered by your insurance provider" and quiet frankly after 20 minutes of questions I didn't have the time anymore.

This is why I'm so annoyed that we are not addressing the actual issues with health care pricing though, and instead seem to just be trying to shift the cost without fixing it.
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Old 04-07-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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I wish that was the extent of it. I actually had a simple procedure in/out the same day with some mild anesthesia and the total bill was $16k, $4k of which was literally billed as "Other adjustments" and I couldn't get an answer to what it was other than "why are you so concerned, its covered by your insurance provider" and quiet frankly after 20 minutes of questions I didn't have the time anymore.

This is why I'm so annoyed that we are not addressing the actual issues with health care pricing though, and instead seem to just be trying to shift the cost without fixing it.
I don't disagree. I support UHC but I fully understand that it's not feasible without addressing all aspects.

I've noted that to do it, everyone will have to give something up to benefit all.

Hospitals will have to give up their obfuscating.
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Old 04-07-2016, 01:04 PM
 
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We will note your refusal to answer my questions and chalk it up to hypocrisy.
Chalk it up to the fact that I'm not here to quench your never-ending thirst for attention and reassurance that you are as smart as you think you are.


There is nothing hypocritical about what I said. YES, Bernie will raise taxes on the middle class to pay for his free stuff.


Is there a proposal ahead to raise my taxes 7 to9% to pay for a war? WHEN there is - get back to me.
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Old 04-07-2016, 01:10 PM
 
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Chalk it up to the fact that I'm not here to quench your never-ending thirst for attention and reassurance that you are as smart as you think you are.
Nah, we can chalk it up for what it is.


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There is nothing hypocritical about what I said. YES, Bernie will raise taxes on the middle class to pay for his free stuff.


Is there a proposal ahead to raise my taxes 7 to9% to pay for a war? WHEN there is - get back to me.
There is no proposal to pay for it at all. It goes like this.....

Bernie proposes a small tax on trades to help finance higher education. That's bad.

Other suggest we continue to waste trillions on stupid wars and pay for it with debt..... That's fine.

Makes no sense to me and so far no one will explain it to me.
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Old 04-08-2016, 03:42 AM
 
Location: louisville
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I wish that was the extent of it. I actually had a simple procedure in/out the same day with some mild anesthesia and the total bill was $16k, $4k of which was literally billed as "Other adjustments" and I couldn't get an answer to what it was other than "why are you so concerned, its covered by your insurance provider" and quiet frankly after 20 minutes of questions I didn't have the time anymore.

This is why I'm so annoyed that we are not addressing the actual issues with health care pricing though, and instead seem to just be trying to shift the cost without fixing it.
Other, revenue code 250-255 including trays, lights, janitorial, syringes... Basically all non medical related aspects, including material, factored into a stay.

Americans really should utilize ambulatory surgical centers more vs traditional hospitals. All procedures performed at an outpatient facility can be performed at an ASC, and some procedures requiring inpatient stats can be done in asc's.
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Old 04-08-2016, 03:46 AM
 
Location: louisville
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Btw, sanders has no plan in regards to healthcare. No politician does. They don't understand how the business works from coding, to billing, to rate setting, to how premiums are calculated, to transaction sets, to regulations, to individual vs employer vs aso vs trad Medicare vs ma vs Medicaid vs Mco vs aco, etc...

It's too complex therefore they resort to soundbites and bs. People buy it. It's sad.
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Old 04-08-2016, 04:36 AM
 
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Btw, sanders has no plan in regards to healthcare. No politician does. They don't understand how the business works from coding, to billing, to rate setting, to how premiums are calculated, to transaction sets, to regulations, to individual vs employer vs aso vs trad Medicare vs ma vs Medicaid vs Mco vs aco, etc...

It's too complex therefore they resort to soundbites and bs. People buy it. It's sad.
"it's too complicated" is simply an excuse for doing nothing.
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