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So the lesson learnt from decades of trickle down economics eventually leading to the Great Recession and massive income inequality and religious nuts going bonkers is that Bernies economics are stupid. Got it.
Extremes on either side rarely make good change.
Bernie knows the 1% won't be able to pay for free health care AND 'free college' and those costs will be passed onto the middle class.
Sweden taxes the hell out of everything - that's how they pay for crap.
You mean we aren't. So it would be cool with you if we simply funded higher education with debt?
(As an aside, Sanders has released his plan and it does not include your hooey)
Many left leaning economists say his plan falls woefully short of what he will actually need for funding and those costs will be passed onto the middle class.
They certainly are in those other countries that Bernie so admires.
Many left leaning economists say his plan falls woefully short of what he will actually need for funding and those costs will be passed onto the middle class.
They certainly are in those other countries that Bernie so admires.
We will note your refusal to answer my questions and chalk it up to hypocrisy.
His free education and other social programs wont be free it will be paid for by imposing higher taxes.Also he realizes status quo isnt working as we have a 20 trillion deficit,his wanting the rich to pay their share is a good idea IMO.
So, either we pay an increase in our taxes for it or we pay an increase out of our pockets for it. The difference is with a non profit healthcare system you don't pay the "profit" margin. So either you want to pay for healthcare with or without a profit margin. So, more money to keep it private, or less money to move it to non profit. It's a no brainer, we will pay far less with a non profit system. Not even a question there to answer.
I've never know anybody who shops around for the cheapest heart surgery they can get. Capitalism has no business in healthcare, it should be care driven, not profit driven.
So, either we pay an increase in our taxes for it or we pay an increase out of our pockets for it. The difference is with a non profit healthcare system you don't pay the "profit" margin. So either you want to pay for healthcare with or without a profit margin. So, more money to keep it private, or less money to move it to non profit. It's a no brainer, we will pay far less with a non profit system. Not even a question there to answer.
I've never know anybody who shops around for the cheapest heart surgery they can get. Capitalism has no business in healthcare, it should be care driven, not profit driven.
Thats like saying you never know anybody who can walk on water, its virtually impossible to shop for health care, not to say you would pick the cheapest, but if you had insight into the actual costs you would at least have some options. We just don't have anything remotely close to capitalism in health care so its a silly argument to set up.
For elective procedures and non-emergency procedures though, we would all benefit in having pricing transparency. Maybe if you live in NY and there are two doctors that you want to see and neither is local, you might pick the more expensive one because you could travel to that doctor at a lower expense for whatever reason. There are a million considerations besides price alone, but since we aren't even allowed to know the price its not possible to make good decisions.
What other products / services do we buy where we are completely blind to the pricing model and cost inputs?
Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has made his antiwar, dovish image the foundation of his campaign in his efforts to beat Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination. But a look at Sanders’ record puts that image into question.
There's a whole lot of "listen to what I say, don't look at what I actually do" when it comes to Bernie.
Thats like saying you never know anybody who can walk on water, its virtually impossible to shop for health care, not to say you would pick the cheapest, but if you had insight into the actual costs you would at least have some options. We just don't have anything remotely close to capitalism in health care so its a silly argument to set up.
This is true.....an interesting anecdote. We have a poodle with cataracts. We decided to take her to a specialist vet to see if they could do anything.
I was amazed at the quality care that our dog got there. The vet told us the possibilities and exactly what each would cost up front.
We had the testing done and unfortunately there was nothing that could be done. They didn't try and convince us otherwise either.
Why can't we do this for people?
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For elective procedures and non-emergency procedures though, we would all benefit in having pricing transparency. Maybe if you live in NY and there are two doctors that you want to see and neither is local, you might pick the more expensive one because you could travel to that doctor at a lower expense for whatever reason. There are a million considerations besides price alone, but since we aren't even allowed to know the price its not possible to make good decisions.
What other products / services do we buy where we are completely blind to the pricing model and cost inputs?
I absolutely agree. Room charges and all should be up front and transparent.
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So, more money to keep it private, or less money to move it to non profit. It's a no brainer, we will pay far less with a non profit system. Not even a question there to answer.
