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I don't see how anyone with an IQ > 5 could believe any of what Sanders suggests for one second. He starts off with numerous lies, such as the gender pay gap and the claim that high income earners fail to pay their fair share in taxes while those at the lower income levels are paying more than their fair share in taxes.
His policies would make the already weak economy much worse. Knowing liberals, I could see Bernie trying to pass legislation that forced companies to hire people or fined them for firing people (which is how they would respond to his policies). It wouldn't surprise me if the geniuses that support him were in favor of such legislation. With this mindset becoming ever more popular, I am very glad I don't have children to worry about!
I think this is the case with a lot of people on the far right. They simply hate society, feel no compassion for fellow human beings and wants to lash out to get revenge.
The future of humanity is in degrowth, social credit and community ownership
of resources. We need to get wise and cooperate for the benefit of people
and nature, rather than continue feeding the trolls of consumerism and waste.
There are ways to increase our freedoms and individuality while at the same
time focusing on true advancements, but the answer is not in slavery to money.
Money is ruining us all, even those who have too much.
They aren't going anywhere and the plan is taking from the "free" money these people were gave by the Fed. Why is it that all should not share in that? Did they earn it? No, they did not.
Nope, rich people never move to avoid taxes. But then again this only got reported today so maybe you didn't have time to see it.
Tepper, 58, registered to vote in Florida in October, listing a Miami Beach condominium as his permanent address, and in December filed a court document declaring that he is now a resident of the state. On Jan. 1, he relocated his Appaloosa Management from New Jersey to Florida, which is free of personal-income and estate taxes.
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New Jersey residents bear the country’s third-highest tax burden, according to the Tax Foundation in Washington. Along with the nation’s highest property taxes, it’s one of two states that levy both an estate tax on the deceased and an inheritance tax on their heirs. The income-tax rate for top earners is 8.97 percent. Democratic legislators have repeatedly passed a millionaire’s tax that would increase the levy to 10.75 percent, but Republican Governor Chris Christie has vetoed it each time.
Paid for by who? Rich people, that will eventually get tired of it and leave? Then what?
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They aren't going anywhere and the plan is taking from the "free" money these people were gave by the Fed. Why is it that all should not share in that? Did they earn it? No, they did not.
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That isn't what is being suggested.....I think you know that.
Well unless I'm totally missing something (feel free to fill me in) that seems to be the exact scenario outlined that prompted your "They aren't going anywhere" reply.
Public universities are like public high school was 50 years ago when the OP graduated. A college education is as necessary as a high school education was 50 years ago, and public high school has been tuition free for 100 years+.
If we want to compete in the global economy, it is essential that everyone with the ability get the chance to get the education they need, regardless of their income. Tuition free public universities will only cost $70 billion while the war of choice, Iraq, cost 50 times that amount. 50 times! For what?
A better educated population is a population which pays more taxes and do better in society so they dont have to be dependent on welfare.
In principle, you have a valid point.
In practice, based on Bernie's plan - it is begging for failure. When Bernie talks about a country in Europe paying for someone's college, Bernie ignores some important facts:
-They pay for serious students, below average students may not qualify for free college
-They tend to only pay for job market degrees like engineering, hard sciences...they will not pay for you to get a degree in "gender studies" or "social justice", etc... Your degree options are more restricted based on current market need and your ability.
-America currently has a shortage of hard science degrees...America has a surplus of degrees that make you wind up as a barista at Starbucks.
And last but not least...in America...kids are less likely to graduate college with debt than kids in Sweden. How can this be?!?! In Sweden, college is 100% free!!!! Well, in the US, most parents help out as much as they can. In Sweden, the parents are too busy paying high taxes that they can't afford to help, and Swedes rack up major cost of living expenses in college and thus will be more likely to leave college with debt than US students.
In practice, based on Bernie's plan - it is begging for failure. When Bernie talks about a country in Europe paying for someone's college, Bernie ignores some important facts:
-They pay for serious students, below average students may not qualify for free college
-They tend to only pay for job market degrees like engineering, hard sciences...they will not pay for you to get a degree in "gender studies" or "social justice", etc... Your degree options are more restricted based on current market need and your ability.
-America currently has a shortage of hard science degrees...America has a surplus of degrees that make you wind up as a barista at Starbucks.
And last but not least...in America...kids are less likely to graduate college with debt than kids in Sweden. How can this be?!?! In Sweden, college is 100% free!!!! Well, in the US, most parents help out as much as they can. In Sweden, the parents are too busy paying high taxes that they can't afford to help, and Swedes rack up major cost of living expenses in college and thus will be more likely to leave college with debt than US students.
Any kind of plan w/ this magnitude would have to be ok'd by our legislators. We can make a unique fit for our country. These plans need to be hashed out
In practice, based on Bernie's plan - it is begging for failure. When Bernie talks about a country in Europe paying for someone's college, Bernie ignores some important facts:
-They pay for serious students, below average students may not qualify for free college
-They tend to only pay for job market degrees like engineering, hard sciences...they will not pay for you to get a degree in "gender studies" or "social justice", etc... Your degree options are more restricted based on current market need and your ability.
Both are wrong. There is no tuition in any public schools for any degree (whether hard science or not) and schools admit students based on number of applicants. So if there are more seats than applicants, which is very common, anyone with a high school diploma gets admitted.
All students get loans and grants with dirt cheap interest rates by government "student banks" to pay for food, accommodation and various other expenses. Families dont save anything for the kids to go to college because they dont need to. Filing for bankruptcy because of student debt is extremely rare. These government loans are not under private loan shark banks and will accommodate the student or former student if they are having financial difficulties.
Tuition free public universities is cheap. $70 billion is nothing compared to the $3 trillion the Iraq war cost us or the trillions in bailouts and corporate welfare. We didnt hear about how we couldnt afford that! The main problem isnt the cost, which is low, the problem is that tuition free public universities addresses the needs of the people, not the big money donor class. Thats why the corporate media dont like it. The donor class use private schools and see no benefits for them. They dont fund these concerns.
Any kind of plan w/ this magnitude would have to be ok'd by our legislators. We can make a unique fit for our country. These plans need to be hashed out
Thanks for linking to this article, I had no idea that in Denmark they levy a 180% (thats not a typo) sales tax on new cars! Good lord! I cant wait until we are like Denmark.
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