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So I listened....are you familiar with his plan and how he will pay for it? The lady graduated from medical school......will she end up paying for this program or not?
I too have paid off all of my student loans, and I am only 28.. I still think higher education needs to be highly subsidized for future youth. Approaching this issue from the whole "I suffered so all of you should suffer too" is not going to fix the cataclysmic problem that is student loan debt. This issue is threatening to destroy our society if it does not get serious reform.
My ex-babysitter/mother's helper just turned 25 and is one year away from paying off her student loans. Big $$$ student loans incurred from attending a top notch college.
She did move back in with her parents to do so, and they aren't charging her rent in order to help her pay back what they couldn't give her...but she also didn't major in English Lit, Art History, History, Library Sciences, Bagpipes, Theater, Communications, Fashion Design, Sociology, Hospitality & Hotel Management, or Underwater Basket Weaving.
She's a happy little Actuary.
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My ex-babysitter/mother's helper just turned 25 and is one year away from paying off her student loans. Big $$$ student loans incurred from attending a top notch college.
She did move back in with her parents to do so, and they aren't charging her rent in order to help her pay back what they couldn't give her...but she also didn't major in English Lit, Art History, History, Library Sciences, Bagpipes, Theater, Communications, Fashion Design, Sociology, Hospitality & Hotel Management, or Underwater Basket Weaving.
the fundamental argument and objection to free college education is it destroys the principal class divider in this country. Next to sex and race a college degree is how this society divides the white collar "winners" from the blue collar "losers". The society cannot accept that talent exists across all class and social lines and works very hard to make certain the untalented kids from the "winners" remains above the talented kids of the "losers". College is the simplest way of assuring this separation.
"Free" college, even in a limited number of government owned schools, would blur this class distinction and terrifies the "winners" because their exclusivity would be threatened. Too damn bad. The country need as many talented people from all the classes to work as hard as they can to make the place better for all of us.
Public universities are like public high school was 50 years ago when the OP graduated. A college education is as necessary as a high school education was 50 years ago, and public high school has been tuition free for 100 years+.
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I keep seeing that people truly believe that a college education will set you free. Yet it would seem that all you end up doing is being in debt for a very long time while you wait tables trying to pay your loan off.. You want to have a life go to trade school College degree doesn't mean crap when you can't find a job in said field.
BTW I am still waiting to hear from those of you who support Trump, Clinton, Cruz. Because I haven't heard jack crap from you or them that makes a damn bit of sense. But carry on my wayward people carry on.
Bernie in some ways is a man after my own heart because he , unlike the pet in cage Obama administration, actually wants to go after bankers after 8 years.
However my problem is he doesn't seem too bright.
There are two parallel examples that show his free education folly.
During the Abolitionist movement one of the problems of freeing slaves was that human bondage was capitalized. It was stored wealth and as such could even be secured to secure debt. So even a bleeding heart who wanted to end slavery is going to have a hard time destroying his capital especially if its pledged to a debt. The solution was for the state to buy out the slaves as far as the British Empire in the West Indies.
As of now a degree, especially a PHD, is now a capitalized investment. Why hasn't Bernie or any of his people not calculated the young adults who should be his strong suit. A 32 year old who has just paid off his student debt isn't going to be very happy to see free education anymore than someone who just planted barely and hops see a da guberment sponsored public free beer program. A 100k PHD seeing a crop of free PHD enter his market? It will de-capitalized the investment. Why is it a simple ******* like me can make this historical and economic analysis but not him or anyone on his staff?
A modern example was NCE , aka Novell Certified Engineer. It was a well respected certification and people generally knew what they were doing. However Bill Gates also knew what he was doing. He flooded the market with Microsoft Certified Engineers. They hardly knew what they were doing, but by then, Bill had the market. It was excellent predatory debasement. Wonder Bill collected on the face value Novell had build up while at the same he printed up a fiat representation to capitalize himself and then de-capitalize Novell. He must know some bankers.....
However in that case one must be in the vast minority of the exploited.
That's the problem with socialists. They suck at economics.
Hillary owned by wall st and Bernie owned by unions.... some choice. Wall st worked well for obama, no one cared he staffed his treasury dept with goldman sachs alum and declared they went to former goldman head jon corzine for economic advice.....so why give obama pass and sing his praises and jump on hillary?
Bernie's leash goes as far as union dues will take him...won't his small contibutors be surprised!
I am a retired veteran that is a Liberal as well as still a Union Member.
Solidarity! If you work for somebody else for a wage and are not in a Union you are a fool. Without representation you have absolutely no chance at protecting yourself from arbitrary management.
I am a retired veteran that is a Liberal as well as still a Union Member.
Solidarity! If you work for somebody else for a wage and are not in a Union you are a fool. Without representation you have absolutely no chance at protecting yourself from arbitrary management.
I do pretty well. Non union. There is no one correct answer as far as that goes. I'm not anti union. It has its good, it has its bad.
Sanders is 'capitalizing' on youthful idealism, lazy opportunists, and the very ignorant...sounds like a formula for success in today's America. His supporters will steer the country to the left but I expect it to be a slow and painful process.
I don't see how anyone with an IQ > 5 could believe any of what Sanders suggests for one second. He starts off with numerous lies, such as the gender pay gap and the claim that high income earners fail to pay their fair share in taxes while those at the lower income levels are paying more than their fair share in taxes.
His policies would make the already weak economy much worse. Knowing liberals, I could see Bernie trying to pass legislation that forced companies to hire people or fined them for firing people (which is how they would respond to his policies). It wouldn't surprise me if the geniuses that support him were in favor of such legislation. With this mindset becoming ever more popular, I am very glad I don't have children to worry about!
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