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Old 04-11-2016, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Since he's claimed to not be part of the establishment he should've done that from the start.
He is now officially part and parcel of the establishment. Cruz fans chalk this up to his superior organization! IT was Trump who was supposed to be the corrupt one. He was supposed to be wielding his wealth and bribe people left and right.
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Old 04-11-2016, 07:38 AM
 
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Trump won 57.8% of counties, Cruz on 42.%.

Cruz gets delegates.

Colorado: Douglas County GOP Removes Delegate who Voted for Donald Trump - Dr. Rich Swier


So GOP's crooked politicians are now resorting to stealing delegates to thwart will of the people.
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Old 04-11-2016, 07:48 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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It's like the old Soviet Union where the party decides who the candidates will be and they let you vote for the one that chosen to be elected. IMO, both parties have openly shown they're no longer even willing to pretend to listen to the people and will now work together to control and dominate everyone. If this says anything, its that neither Hillary or Cruz can be at all trusted.
No, it isn't. Our nation allows non-party affiliated presidental nominees on the ballot if they meet state established criteria. Most states even allow you to write in any name you want. There are 3rd Party options that are established, well known, and viable such as the Libertarian Party, Green Party, and Constitution Party. (Although, fair warning, they also choose their nominee through a delegate system.)

Finally, you are more than welcome to start your own party, make your own nominee selection rules, and put a candidate up. Of course, that takes a lot of organization, work, and money. People complaining about this nomination system have plenty of other options. But it isn't options the people whining "unfair" want. They want someone else to make all the sacrifices, do, all the work, and come up with the money but then these non-contributors demand they are the ones who deserve the power to make the decisions. These are private organizations, they will welcome your time, sweat, and money, so if you want the power put your own assets on the line.
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Old 04-11-2016, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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It's like the old Soviet Union where the party decides who the candidates will be and they let you vote for the one that chosen to be elected. IMO, both parties have openly shown they're no longer even willing to pretend to listen to the people and will now work together to control and dominate everyone. If this says anything, its that neither Hillary or Cruz can be at all trusted.

Same with the Democrat Party: After win after win by Sanders we must read about the huge insurmountable delegate lead that Clinton has.
Where the Hell did she get them?


If the party billionaire-bosses want to APPOINT candidates they could do it on November 1 and save us all from a lot of annoying noise.


I don't like games that are fixed, so I will sit this one out.
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Old 04-11-2016, 07:56 AM
 
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No, it isn't. Our nation allows non-party affiliated presidental nominees on the ballot if they meet state established criteria. Most states even allow you to write in any name you want. There are 3rd Party options that are established, well known, and viable such as the Libertarian Party, Green Party, and Constitution Party. (Although, fair warning, they also choose their nominee through a delegate system.)

Finally, you are more than welcome to start your own party, make your own nominee selection rules, and put a candidate up. Of course, that takes a lot of organization, work, and money. People complaining about this nomination system have plenty of other options. But it isn't options the people whining "unfair" want. They want someone else to make all the sacrifices, do, all the work, and come up with the money but then these non-contributors demand they are the ones who deserve the power to make the decisions. These are private organizations, they will welcome your time, sweat, and money, so if you want the power put your own assets on the line.
While this is all true, people are not going to continue to belong to a party that give them no say in who they will nominate. The GOP can do this but it is most certainly not in their best long term interest.
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Old 04-11-2016, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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"and come up with the money"


Democracy should not be all about coming up with the money. But I guess I'm whining.
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Old 04-11-2016, 08:03 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Has this ever happened before in any state? Because I am seriously freaking out over this. This sounds absolutely insane, then CNN reports if like this

Even Cruz fans, Democrats, undecided folks should be freaking out over this. WTF is going on? This China where the party tells us who is elected. WTF!!!! Everyone push this story today to everyone!
Not only yes, but until 1972 it was the norm. There is nothing to freak out about.

The ridiculous thing is that a candidate and/or his staff was seemingly unaware of this long standing process, even after the RNC discussed with Trump the need to acquaint themselves with the various state rules after he threw a fit about Cruz picking up those Louisiana delegates. The requirements for each state can very easily be found on the Internet, did he not think a couple hours investment was worth winning? If this is an indication of the type of president he will be it ought to make everyone leery.
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Old 04-11-2016, 08:08 AM
 
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Trump won 57.8% of counties, Cruz on 42.%.

Cruz gets delegates.

Colorado: Douglas County GOP Removes Delegate who Voted for Donald Trump - Dr. Rich Swier


So GOP's crooked politicians are now resorting to stealing delegates to thwart will of the people.
I do believe Colorado was going off of the popular vote, not how many counties one wins.

Though it doesn't matter, Trump isn't going to be the nominee anyway, the GOP have already decided that.
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Old 04-11-2016, 08:10 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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"and come up with the money"


Democracy should not be all about coming up with the money. But I guess I'm whining.
Yes, you are. It costs money to run for office, even at the lowest level. That money has to come from somewhere.

Again, we are not a democracy, by the design established in the constitution we are a democratic republic.
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Old 04-11-2016, 08:12 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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While this is all true, people are not going to continue to belong to a party that give them no say in who they will nominate. The GOP can do this but it is most certainly not in their best long term interest.
That's fine. I personally would like to see more parties. Go for it.
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