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The problem isn`t the disagreement but the constant complaining after the fact.
Trump won the election based on the current rules.
End of story.
People want to change the EC? Fine. Go ahead and attempt to make such changes.
However, don`t continuously moan and groan over the 2016 election results.
I wasn't moaning nor groaning about the election results, I am simply commenting about the Electoral College. This country has Trump as our next president for probably four years, that is another whole mess that we probably have to look forward to, but that is for a different thread.
If true, it wouldn't surprise me as that is what Democrats do. They will purposely screw something up themselves, trying to prove there is something wrong.
For example, the plants at Tea Party rallies where the liberals infiltrate the rallies holding up racist signs, "to prove Tea Party people are racists".
Oh. Look at you, thats so precious. You think the GOP isnt just as dirty. Bwahahhaha.
OK folks, its not shenanigans, its how the system can choose to work. And Trump was right in 2012, and he was right yesterday or today when he mentioned it was a bad system.
But it IS the system. You folks threatening civil war? Its ironic, I bet some of you also went on about the left rioting, and complained.
For those bragging about your guns. Uhhmmm...thats nice. LOTS of people have guns. A civil war will not be what you expect at all. It will be horrific.
Oh. Look at you, thats so precious. You think the GOP isnt just as dirty. Bwahahhaha.
OK folks, its not shenanigans, its how the system can choose to work. And Trump was right in 2012, and he was right yesterday or today when he mentioned it was a bad system.
But it IS the system. You folks threatening civil war? Its ironic, I bet some of you also went on about the left rioting, and complained.
For those bragging about your guns. Uhhmmm...thats nice. LOTS of people have guns. A civil war will not be what you expect at all. It will be horrific.
This post proves how warped your thinking really is. For you to agree with Trump from 2012 just because he happened to say our EC system was bad is truly ironic. He was wrong back then, just as the sore loser liberals are today. The EC is here to stay so long as we have a constitutional republic.
Another striking thing about your post is where you assume the GOP is "just as dirty". It is not conservatives being caught burning churches and then trying to make the Democrats look guilty of it. So while not all Republicans are clean, we know the Democrats at the highest levels are corrupt. Heck the DNC knee capped one of the own in Bernie, and engaged in despicable behavior they accuse of Republicans off. Debbie Wasserman Shultz and Donna Brazile are poster children of corruption along with their leaders, the Clintons.
Lastly, this civil war nonsense may have been uttered by a few keyboard commandos, but by and large conservatives are law abiding people who do not riot. The same can obviously not be said about leftists rioting and creating mayhem the last few weeks. So while your ideological bent might have you assuming conservatives would be doing the same thing if Trump lost, most people know better.
A number of Democratic Electoral College electors are planning to use their votes to undermine the election process in opposition to President-elect Donald Trump, Politico is reporting.
... With at least six electors already vowing to become "faithless," the defection could be the most significant since 1808, when six Democratic-Republican electors refused to vote for James Madison, choosing vice presidential candidate George Clinton instead.
The electors acknowledge that it is unlikely that they will be able to block Trump from gaining office, Politico reported, but they are optimistic that their effort will raise enough questions about the Electoral College to reform or abolish it.
... Twenty-nine states legally require their electors to obey the results of the popular vote in their state.
Why do we have electors that do not believe in the electoral process? They need to be replaced.
Actually, they are doing exactly what the electoral college was originally intended to do. The founding fathers didn't set the electoral college up for the electors to just choose who won the vote in their state. Originally, people didn't even vote for a presidential candidate, they voted directly for electors, who ideally would be more informed and best suited to choose the president, using their own judgment..... This whole concept of the electors being bound by who got the most votes in their state is a fairly modern advent as elections have become more direct by the people, but originally, it wasn't that way, or intended to be. Read the Federalist Papers and you'll see.
Not saying I think they should be "faithless electors" and upset the vote, I'm just pointing out that they are actually doing what the electoral college was intended to do in the first place.
Six is remarkable, but is still a very very far cry from 38.
Its far from remarkable. Its 6 Democratic electors from states that Hillary won stating that they will not vote for Donald Trump Why is this news? They weren't going to vote for him anyway, so there's no "change."
“You have people saying ‘you’re a hateful bigot, I hope you die,’ †he said. “I’ve had people talk about shoving a gun in my mouth and blowing my brains out. And I’ve received dozens and dozens of those emails. Even the non-threatening-my-life emails are very aggressive.â€
Such wonderful, tolerant, peace loving progressives.
A number of Democratic Electoral College electors are planning to use their votes to undermine the election process in opposition to President-elect Donald Trump, Politico is reporting.
... With at least six electors already vowing to become "faithless," the defection could be the most significant since 1808, when six Democratic-Republican electors refused to vote for James Madison, choosing vice presidential candidate George Clinton instead.
The electors acknowledge that it is unlikely that they will be able to block Trump from gaining office, Politico reported, but they are optimistic that their effort will raise enough questions about the Electoral College to reform or abolish it.
... Twenty-nine states legally require their electors to obey the results of the popular vote in their state.
Why do we have electors that do not believe in the electoral process? They need to be replaced.
Certainly a "Hail Mary" for the libs.
If Obama, Soros, and Hillary get the election results overturned, it would be certain civil war in the US. Is one corrupt old hag worth it?
A number of Democratic Electoral College electors are planning to use their votes to undermine the election process in opposition to President-elect Donald Trump, Politico is reporting.
...
With at least six electors already vowing to become "faithless," the defection could be the most significant since 1808, when six Democratic-Republican electors refused to vote for James Madison, choosing vice presidential candidate George Clinton instead.
The electors acknowledge that it is unlikely that they will be able to block Trump from gaining office, Politico reported, but they are optimistic that their effort will raise enough questions about the Electoral College to reform or abolish it.
...
Twenty-nine states legally require their electors to obey the results of the popular vote in their state.
Why do we have electors that do not believe in the electoral process? They need to be replaced.
Every state colored red on this map has a ban on faithless electors. In other words, electors have no choice in the matter. They have to vote and they have to vote for the candidate they were selected to vote for. If there are any faithless electors this year, I think it's safe to assume that this map will turn solid red before the end of 2017.
The electors acknowledge that it is unlikely that they will be able to block Trump from gaining office, Politico reported, but they are optimistic that their effort will raise enough questions about the Electoral College to reform or abolish it.
Getting rid of the Electoral College is impossible. Now it is possible that electors might be able to be virtualized -- IE you don't need a human being to show up and vote. But the Amendment to the Constitution needed to get rid of our electoral process as it presently exists is impossible. It would require 38 states to vote in favor. 21 states gain significantly in power and influence via the electoral college. 29 states, not so much. You'd need every single one of the 29 states + 9 more states voting to be less important and increasingly ignored in favor of more populous states.
Every state colored red on this map has a ban on faithless electors. In other words, electors have no choice in the matter. They have to vote and they have to vote for the candidate they were selected to vote for. If there are any faithless electors this year, I think it's safe to assume that this map will turn solid red before the end of 2017.
I live in one of these states - Washington - and two of our electors have threatened to not cast their votes for Clinton, in spite of the fact that Washington voted for Clinton. They were Sanders supporters. 1 Washington state Democratic elector won
Washington imposes a $1,000 fine for not voting for the winning candidate, so electors do indeed have a choice - vote for the winner or pay a modest fine. None of these state laws have been tested in federal court, so it's unknown whether they would be upheld. The constitution is silent on the question of binding electors.
"Many constitutional scholars agree that electors remain free agents despite state laws and that, if challenged, such laws would be ruled unconstitutional. " http://archive.fairvote.org/?page=967
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Why is this news? They weren't going to vote for him anyway, so there's no "change."
