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The thing you're not getting is that it doesn't matter if it's the 5th time or the 100th time. The national election system in this country is set up so States pick who the President will be, not the overall population by direct vote. It's designed to be that way since we are a nation of States or sovereign entities which united to become one country held together by a Constitution which gives limited but important powers to these states. We are not like Germany, Russia, Mexico or any other country in that regard.
If it eventually changes then fine, it will change. The prospects of it changing in any legal Constitutional fashion though is almost zero since smaller states far outnumber larger ones and they are not willingly going to bow down to 3-4 large states and be bullied by them.
Three or four large states that have populations that far outweigh those small states. At some point when they wanted something negotiations would be made. It would change. A state of 30 million is not going to meekly let a state of 750,000 tell them how to live their lives while taking all their tax dollars.
This was only the fifth time it happened in our entire history. If it becomes a common result, it will get changed. No need to argue about it but it will get changed. Small rural states will not get to take all the tax dollars from large states while telling them how to live their lives. At some point the push back will be so intense a change is made or states are completely empowered and we look at Balkanizing the country.
Since when are Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida and North Carolina "small rural states"? You slay me with your ignorance. Small, rural states didn't elect Trump and neither did angry white men. The big cities elected Trump.
Three or four large states that have populations that far outweigh those small states. At some point when they wanted something negotiations would be made. It would change. A state of 30 million is not going to meekly let a state of 750,000 tell them how to live their lives while taking all their tax dollars.
It's not about one state of 30,000,000 against one state of 750,000. It's about 3-4 states with largest populations against about 45 states with smaller populations.
Even smaller states like Vermont and New Hampshire which Hillary won, will probably not be willing to give up their rights as a State to a handful of larger States.
The Constitution doesn't change because a few states negotiate with each other. It doesn't work that way.
Since when are Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida and North Carolina "small rural states"? You slay me with your ignorance. Small, rural states didn't elect Trump and neither did angry white men. The big cities elected Trump.
No they did not.
Ohio? Trump lost the big cities like Columbus, Toledo, Cincinnati and Cleveland.
Pennsylvania? Trump lost the big cities like Philadelphia and Pittsburg
Michigan? Trump lost Detroit, Flint and Ann Arbor
Wisconsin? Trump lost Milwaukee, Eau Claire and Madison
Florida? Trump lost Miami, Tampa, Palm Beach, Tallahassee and Orlando
North Carolina? Trump lost Charlotte, Fayetteville, Greensboro and Raleigh
Here's the New York Times election results for each state that includes the cities.
Ohio? Trump lost the big cities like Columbus, Toledo, Cincinnati and Cleveland.
Pennsylvania? Trump lost the big cities like Philadelphia and Pittsburg
Michigan? Trump lost Detroit, Flint and Ann Arbor
Wisconsin? Trump lost Milwaukee, Eau Claire and Madison
Florida? Trump lost Miami, Tampa, Palm Beach, Tallahassee and Orlando
North Carolina? Trump lost Charlotte, Fayetteville, Greensboro and Raleigh
Here's the New York Times election results for each state that includes the cities.
If there's ever an election where the GOP candidate wins the PV but loses the EC, you can bet there will be some serious effort to change it.
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Since when are Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida and North Carolina "small rural states"? You slay me with your ignorance. Small, rural states didn't elect Trump and neither did angry white men. The big cities elected Trump.
Wrong. Roughly 800,000 people that flipped their states from blue to red (rust belt states plus Florida) put him over the 270 EV threshold.
Ohio? Trump lost the big cities like Columbus, Toledo, Cincinnati and Cleveland.
Pennsylvania? Trump lost the big cities like Philadelphia and Pittsburg
Michigan? Trump lost Detroit, Flint and Ann Arbor
Wisconsin? Trump lost Milwaukee, Eau Claire and Madison
Florida? Trump lost Miami, Tampa, Palm Beach, Tallahassee and Orlando
North Carolina? Trump lost Charlotte, Fayetteville, Greensboro and Raleigh
Here's the New York Times election results for each state that includes the cities.
He proved you wrong. Now you move the goal post to talk about the cities. OK, lets do.
I live in Charlotte. Trump did lose inner city Charlotte, and he won Metro Charlotte by wide margin.
If there's ever an election where the GOP candidate wins the PV but loses the EC, you can bet there might be a serious push to change it.
There will never be a serious push to amend the US Constitution to eliminate the electoral college.
No real push to abolish the state elections for President
No real effort to create one large Federal election for President. i.e. the popular vote.
Doesn't matter how much the very small minority of voters whine about the results.
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