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It's no wonder that flyover states love the electoral college. It overrepresents them electorally while they pay the least federally.
The urban states are subsidizing the rural states, and yet somehow in return, the rural states get more power at the voting booth.
"The gap between the two extremes is remarkable. South Dakota, one of the most empowered states in the country, received almost twice the return on taxes as California, the country’s most populated state, while also commanding nearly twice as much power per capita in the Electoral College.
"...By contrast, 19 of the 25 most empowered (and largely rural) states went for Mr. Trump.
But as our cities get wealthier and more diverse and begin to realize how the system is genuinely “rigged” against them, tectonic forces may well be unleashed."
States that pay the most where their votes count the least: New Jersey, Minnesota, Illinois, Colorado, Massachusetts, New York, Wisconsin, Michigan, Connecticut, California, Washington, Oregon
States that pay the least where their votes count the most: Wyoming, Alaska, North Dakota, Hawaii, South Dakota, New Mexico, Vermont, West Virginia, Rhode Island, Montana, Mississippi, Idaho
Utter and complete BS for many reasons. For starters lets take NM which always tops these lists. It's a low population state with many federal facilities, Sandia National lab by itself adds $1200 to the per capita federal spending. The primary beneficiary of what they do there is the entire nation.
Yet as another example the state of ND is currently producing a lot of oil, the direct and indirect tax revenue from that is not necessarily attributed to ND.
Florida has many people that move there to retire, not only does that increase federal spending but it's a drain on Florida.
Many rural Red States / Counties grow the food that feeds Liberals. They also provide the Fuel to put in their cars.
Someone started another topic pointing out that the areas that voted for Clinton generated 63% of the GPD and they also suggested dividing it up into Clintonland and Trumpland. Clintonland gets the energy companies nice shiny office tower with the now out of work pencil pushers and Trumpmland gets the assets where the actual wealth resides.
These comparisons trying to use GDP or tax revenue/spending are utter stupidity.
Blue states pay more and their votes count less. Red states pay less and their votes count more. Yes, Trump supporters are loving the electoral college right now but Democrats have won the popular vote six out of the last seven elections. Blue states on average are more prosperous (what red states does Trump have hotels in?).
Vermont is a blue state with 3 electoral votes. The population is 626,000 so one vote for each 208,000 people. This blue State is way over represented using the population as the sole arbiter argument. New Hampshire and Maine went for Hillary, also low population States. Rhode Island went for Hillary, another low population State. You can't just cherry pick big States like California to make your case.
The 100 electoral votes apportioned 2 per State represents that all States are equal under the Constitution. California is no more important than Vermont. The remaining 438 electoral votes are apportioned by population so as to represent the people rather than the States. It is a thing of beauty with population being the primary determinant. If it were the only determinant then we'd no longer have sovereign States.
Vermont is a blue state with 3 electoral votes. The population is 626,000 so one vote for each 208,000 people. This blue State is way over represented using the population as the sole arbiter argument. New Hampshire and Maine went for Hillary, also low population States. Rhode Island went for Hillary, another low population State. You can't just cherry pick big States like California to make your case.
The 100 electoral votes apportioned 2 per State represents that all States are equal under the Constitution. California is no more important than Vermont. The remaining 438 electoral votes are apportioned by population so as to represent the people rather than the States. It is a thing of beauty with population being the primary determinant. If it were the only determinant then we'd no longer have sovereign States.
So if we cram another 200 million sardines into California, they can petition to increase their number of electoral votes and then b*tch about their QOL is gone forever.
So if we cram another 200 million sardines into California, they can petition to increase their number of electoral votes and then b*tch about their QOL is gone forever.
And this is were CA finds itself in a bad situation as far as the EC is concerned. It's no secret that millions of middle class people have left the state in the last few years. Much of that population and more has been replaced with illegals and anchor babies.
If illegals begin to deport themselves and take other family members including anchor babies with them, or are deported by enforcing Federal laws, the states population would decrease and CA may face the ugly situation of actually losing some of their 55 electoral votes.
Vermont is a blue state with 3 electoral votes. The population is 626,000 so one vote for each 208,000 people. This blue State is way over represented using the population as the sole arbiter argument. New Hampshire and Maine went for Hillary, also low population States. Rhode Island went for Hillary, another low population State. You can't just cherry pick big States like California to make your case.
The 100 electoral votes apportioned 2 per State represents that all States are equal under the Constitution. California is no more important than Vermont. The remaining 438 electoral votes are apportioned by population so as to represent the people rather than the States. It is a thing of beauty with population being the primary determinant. If it were the only determinant then we'd no longer have sovereign States.
It has beautifully worked the way it was intended, it prevents the tyranny of the majority. As some wise soul once said, democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. For the last 8 years the wolves have been picking dinner, this election the sheep rebelled because they were tired of the food they've been served.
In order to change this system a constitutional amendment is required, which would for all intents and purposes require the permission of those low population states. No way that will happen.
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It has beautifully worked the way it was intended, it prevents the tyranny of the majority. As some wise soul once said, democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. For the last 8 years the wolves have been picking dinner, this election the sheep rebelled because they were tired of the food they've been served.
In order to change this system a constitutional amendment is required, which would for all intents and purposes require the permission of those low population states. No way that will happen.
Well said and this is why large states with majority liberal populations including NY and CA despise the Electoral College. Imagine a state, even a blue state like Vermont being told what to do and bullied by CA. The next thing you know, farmers in Vermont will have to spend their time monitoring cow farts.
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