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I have read everything about his community organizer days, and this is the best:
Obama forged path as Chicago community organizer - Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usobam025598601mar02,1,6933215,full.story - broken link)
Nothing in these list what he was able to accomplish as a community organizer
What shows that he can provide these things? Has he done anything in his ENTIRE life to indicate that he can provide these things?
He voted for FISA that will shred the 4th amendment, I am not sure that he gives a crap about the constitution, if he did he would have voted against that Bill that allowed the president to basically spy on Americans without a warrant.
On the surface, it looks like a bad call to me, too. But he didn't vote the way he did to "shred the 4th ammendment" as you claim. He puts forth his reasons rather well here:
I think you need to look up the definition of "anger."
I think you need to add a dash of rationality to your posts, which seem to be angry, raw emotional responses.
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here is a link to the 2004 senate race. here is a summary. obama was losing in democrat primaries until a domestic abuse scandal hurt the man who he was running against. in the general election, the republican he was running against dropped out. 3 months before the election, the republicans put alan keys out there. keys is from maryland and didn't stand a chance.
So, Obama won both the primary and general elections by wide margins. Which leads you to conclude that he ran "unopposed." Did you read the part where Obama led Jack Ryan, the GOP candidate who had to drop out, by a wide margin in the polls?
Explain how his senate seat was "handed to him", as you put it. He won easily. He led early on.
This year, he came from way behind in ALL of the polls to beat the strongest political machine the Democratic party has put together in the past decade. Was the nomination "handed to him" this time, too?
You obviously don't like Obama, but you're not presenting a good argument for why you don't.
Here's a guy who has achieved his position through hard work and high ability. He isn't the presumptive nominee because he was born with all the advantages of wealth and powerful political connections. He's where he is because he's done it the American way; he's worked his way up.
Here's a guy who doesn't seem to be motivated by personal gain. After graduating at the top of his class from Harvard Law School, he was offered very lucrative positions with Wall Street law firms. He instead returned to Chicago as a community organizer among the working poor.
Here's a guy who has a vision of repairing the obvious rift in America between left and right. Who does that threaten?
"Achived it by hard work"?!?! LOL You kiddn' me?
Obama milked the system from day one. He used special programs because of his race to get into Harvard Law School, to get free government cash, he used "Affirmative Action" preferential treatment all the way.
Obama also used his connections to a criminal slumlord named Tony Rezko to get money, support from anti-American, racist "pastor" Jeremiah Wright, and favors from admitted terrorist William Ayers to get where he was.
Obama was only elected to the US Senate because he pretty much ran un-opposed.
If YOU think that is the "American model", my friend, you must live in San Francisco, or South Chicago, or maybe Boston.
The America where I grew up, milking the system and using connections to racists and terrorist AIN'T the American model for success. And I am only 28.
Here's a guy who has achieved his position through hard work and high ability. He isn't the presumptive nominee because he was born with all the advantages of wealth and powerful political connections. He's where he is because he's done it the American way; he's worked his way up.
Here's a guy who doesn't seem to be motivated by personal gain. After graduating at the top of his class from Harvard Law School, he was offered very lucrative positions with Wall Street law firms. He instead returned to Chicago as a community organizer among the working poor.
Here's a guy who has a vision of repairing the obvious rift in America between left and right. Who does that threaten?
Not who, but what?
Basically, the overall American way of life. Our capital markets and economic structure that brought success to this nation.
I have nothing personally against Obama, however he is a socialist/collectivist. It is basic econ 101. There is an article from The Economist that has a board of 12 world economist, non-partisan. In short, if Obama and a democrat majority congress get 75% of what the want to do through the legislature, America will suffer the largest shift to the left that it has ever known. Even more than LBJ himself.
Under his overall plans of "government" control on just about 2/3rds of the American economy, unlike LBJ's era and thanks to 20 years of the Clinton/Bush dynasty, this time America would not have the fiscal solvency to get out of it.
Now the only problem, McCain isn't any better. The only question is; as the majority of the rest of the world seeks economic freedom to rev' it's economic growth engine, why does America's politicians of both parties want to go the way of the old Soviet Union, and Jaque Chiroc France?
No country in world history has ever survived a socialist / collectivist mindset since it's enception with Karl Marx. I doub't any will now. Keep in mind, Obama's theories are not "change". Just a re-hash of the Carter Administration.
On the surface, it looks like a bad call to me, too. But he didn't vote the way he did to "shred the 4th ammendment" as you claim. He puts forth his reasons rather well here:
That's right. I've been a registered Democrat since 1960. I voted for JFK in my first election. I was at USC and rode all the way home to vote in person rather than using a mail-in ballot. I've voted in every election since then. I worked as a Democratic Judge at my present polling place until 5 years ago when I had a health problem. I've been precinct chairman several times, been a delegate to the state convention 5 times, been a convention officer and was a delegate to the national Democratic convention.
I don't always vote the party ticket from top to bottom. It's wise to look at each candidate carefully. We have had some serious "nuts" run as Democrats just like the republicans have. Just because someone says they are a Democrat doesn't get them an automatic vote from me.
I worked in the Bill Clinton campaign both times and enjoyed it a lot. I met Bill and Hillary when they came here. I paid $1000 for two tickets to one of his fundraisers and sat right across from Chelsea and her friend that night. It was outstanding. She is amazing!
Early on we discovered some strange things about Barack Obama which we didn't like. His extremely liberal voting record is very upsetting. But that is just the tip of the iceberg. Obama's mother was as firebrand, a socialist whose parents moved her to the west coast to study Marxism. They then moved to Hawaii where a Communist cell was being developed. She became part of it and participated in it's functions, eventually marrying the Kenyan Obama and having Barack Junior. The mother embraced Communism and spent a lot of time teaching it to her son Barack. Marrying a second time to an Indonesian she gave birth to Obama's half sister Maya. Both children spent time in both Catholic and Muslim schools. When Barack returned to his grandparents his mother arranged for Barack to study under a Communist poet and anarchist, Frank M. Davis.
Thus my reasons for not supporting Obama...I'm not saying he is a Communist but he is definitely Socialist and his proposed programs reflect that. He is for higher taxes, more government and a redistribution of wealth--VERY SOCIALISTIC!!!!
I do not have much of a choice. I don't particularly care for McCain or Barr but surely will end up voting for one of them.
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"It's not to say that there is already a revolution under way in the U.S. ... but yes, they (Obama) are laying the foundations for a revolutionary change,"---Nicaraguan Communist President Daniel Ortega
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a dash of rationality? you should take your own advice. the only reason obama won the primary election was because of a domestic abuse scandal. he was getting beat pretty badly before that scandal. and yes, when you put up a guy from maryland to run against someone for a illinois senate seat, it might as well be unopposed. oh, and for the record, I really think that you are the one coming off as angry. you seem to be in HUGE denial of the facts of obama's elitist upbringing.
he won the presidential primaries simply because he was the best of the worst. not really a good title in my opinion. a rather embarrassing one.
I don't dislike obama, but I know what he is. he's a politician and only idiots can't tell that. he is the same old story. how about his voting record? would that be enough for me to be allowed to not want to vote for him? or do you not acknowledge substance? someone can support him simply because he believes in some sort of mythical "change," but if someone doesn't like his voting record, that's not a good enough reason not to support him. I am a libertarian. the government is a failure at almost everything they do. barack obama believes in more failure, I don't. mccain believes in more failure, I don't. how about you give me a good reason that you support him without quoting a bumper sticker.
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I think you need to add a dash of rationality to your posts, which seem to be angry, raw emotional responses.
So, Obama won both the primary and general elections by wide margins. Which leads you to conclude that he ran "unopposed." Did you read the part where Obama led Jack Ryan, the GOP candidate who had to drop out, by a wide margin in the polls?
Explain how his senate seat was "handed to him", as you put it. He won easily. He led early on.
This year, he came from way behind in ALL of the polls to beat the strongest political machine the Democratic party has put together in the past decade. Was the nomination "handed to him" this time, too?
You obviously don't like Obama, but you're not presenting a good argument for why you don't.
Obama milked the system from day one. He used special programs because of his race to get into Harvard Law School, to get free government cash, he used "Affirmative Action" preferential treatment all the way.
Explain how he milked affirmative action to graduate first in his class at Harvard.
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Obama also used his connections to a criminal slumlord named Tony Rezko to get money, support from anti-American, racist "pastor" Jeremiah Wright, and favors from admitted terrorist William Ayers to get where he was.
His connections to Rezko weren't found to be a problem in Rezko's court case. Court cases tend to be extensively investigated.
The worst dirt anyone has been able to find on Obama is that his former pastor made some inflammatory remarks. Oh no!
Ayers showed up at an Obama fundraiser years ago. Now you're really reaching for reasons to hate the man.
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Obama was only elected to the US Senate because he pretty much ran un-opposed.
I've already debunked that ridiculous myth with another poster on this thread.
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If YOU think that is the "American model", my friend, you must live in San Francisco, or South Chicago, or maybe Boston.
The America where I grew up, milking the system and using connections to racists and terrorist AIN'T the American model for success. And I am only 28.
If YOU think that the silly fluff you posted here has any substance whatsoever, you're just sadly misinformed. What you've presented are the most superficial, unsubstantiated assertions from right-wing blabbermouths like Rush Limbaugh. If you think they're peddling the truth, then keep on buying their baloney. But don't think that you can pass it off as truth to anyone but another dittohead. Well, maybe a Fox News viewer...
Explain how he milked affirmative action to graduate first in his class at Harvard.
His connections to Rezko weren't found to be a problem in Rezko's court case. Court cases tend to be extensively investigated.
The worst dirt anyone has been able to find on Obama is that his former pastor made some inflammatory remarks. Oh no!
Ayers showed up at an Obama fundraiser years ago. Now you're really reaching for reasons to hate the man.
I've already debunked that ridiculous myth with another poster on this thread.
If YOU think that the silly fluff you posted here has any substance whatsoever, you're just sadly misinformed. What you've presented are the most superficial, unsubstantiated assertions from right-wing blabbermouths like Rush Limbaugh. If you think they're peddling the truth, then keep on buying their baloney. But don't think that you can pass it off as truth to anyone but another dittohead. Well, maybe a Fox News viewer...
Not who, but what?
Basically, the overall American way of life. Our capital markets and economic structure that brought success to this nation.
I have nothing personally against Obama, however he is a socialist/collectivist. It is basic econ 101. There is an article from The Economist that has a board of 12 world economist, non-partisan. In short, if Obama and a democrat majority congress get 75% of what the want to do through the legislature, America will suffer the largest shift to the left that it has ever known. Even more than LBJ himself.
Under his overall plans of "government" control on just about 2/3rds of the American economy, unlike LBJ's era and thanks to 20 years of the Clinton/Bush dynasty, this time America would not have the fiscal solvency to get out of it.
Now the only problem, McCain isn't any better. The only question is; as the majority of the rest of the world seeks economic freedom to rev' it's economic growth engine, why does America's politicians of both parties want to go the way of the old Soviet Union, and Jaque Chiroc France?
No country in world history has ever survived a socialist / collectivist mindset since it's enception with Karl Marx. I doub't any will now. Keep in mind, Obama's theories are not "change". Just a re-hash of the Carter Administration.
I heard similar gloom and doom predictions when Jimmy Carter was elected in 1976 and when Bill Clinton won in 1992. I voted against both of them, btw. But none of the socialist/collectivist nightmares ever came to be. In fact, the economy was pretty good under Clinton, I'll have to admit.
I write this stuff off as hyperbole.
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