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View Poll Results: Are italians mixed with middle easterners?
Yes, paleolithically 15 34.88%
Yes, more recently 2 4.65%
Both long ago and recently 16 37.21%
Not at all 10 23.26%
Voters: 43. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-14-2014, 09:56 AM
 
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every time i visit this forum there's always 10 threads about southern europeans and whiteness. what's so darn interesting about that?
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Old 01-14-2014, 10:16 AM
 
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Italians are also mixed with Negroids.
They have on average 9% - 10% Sub-Saharan Black ancestry.



That is why they can often produce negroid looking people like these.

A North Italian man
He doesn't look too 'negroid'. There are also some people like this in Hungary and Bulgaria and they don't have any Sub-Saharan African ancestry at all.
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Old 01-14-2014, 10:16 AM
 
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every time i visit this forum there's always 10 threads about southern europeans and whiteness. what's so darn interesting about that?
Yes there are a lot of threads about these kind of subjects. City Data maybe should make an anthropology or dna forum as I think people are interested in the subject.

A lot of people now are getting their dna tested and learning more about genetics. I don't think it has anything to do with whiteness. I'm very interested in the subject and have read various things on genetics. I haven't got my dna tested but I'm thinking about having it done. It's a fascinating subject.

As humans we are all connected somewhere in the past. Maybe there should be a separate forum so that people that are interested in the subject can discuss and people that aren't then can avoid that forum.
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Old 01-14-2014, 10:19 AM
 
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He doesn't look too 'negroid'. There are also some people like this in Hungary and Bulgaria and they don't have any Sub-Saharan African ancestry at all.
Genetics shows that Italians don't have much Sub-Saharan African ancestry. There are a lot of myths that have been dispelled with modern dna results.
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Old 01-14-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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every time i visit this forum there's always 10 threads about southern europeans and whiteness. what's so darn interesting about that?
Americans are obsessed over skin color!
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Old 01-15-2014, 12:12 AM
 
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Italians are also mixed with Negroids.
They have on average 9% - 10% Sub-Saharan Black ancestry.



That is why they can often produce negroid looking people like these.

A North Italian man

From calcioweb.eu
What's "negroid" about him?
If you cut those dark long hair and shave him, his "exotic" look will be gone in two minutes.
He doesn't even have brown eyes fer Christ's sake to begin with.
He might look "Semitic" "gypsy," "Caucasian" ( as in someone from Caucasus,) - that comparison I could understand, but not "negroid."
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Old 01-16-2014, 11:36 PM
 
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No Northern Italians have less Middle Eastern admixture and are more similar to Spanish and Southern French. Ashkenazi Jews cluster with Southern Italians on dna cluster maps. Southern Italians are a very European population though and all Europeans have admixture from different groups. Northern European populations are just older in Europe and have more ancestry from hunter gatherers than farmer populations.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8211/8...212c88bf_o.png
Italian Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 01-16-2014, 11:38 PM
 
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Caucasoid is an arbitrary parameter created in the 19th century. It is a residue, an anachronism. Two people can be 'Caucasoid' and not be closely related. Craniofacial plasticity is much more variable than was originally thought, so racial claims on craniofacial parameters are foolish. In microcosms, you might be able to show some relationship, but in global macrocosms, there are more mistakes than accuracy. Polytopicity is when two different groups of organisms that are not related end up having similar traits.

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Old 01-16-2014, 11:39 PM
 
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More like, if they are in similar environments, common factors may play a role in similar attributes. For example people in the circum Sahara developed thinner noses overall because of the dryer, hotter air. In Europe the colder dryer air had a similar effect. When we see broader features, they tend to be more recent migrations to dryer regions from more humid climates. Of course other factors can come into play as well. For example Neanderthals had wide nasal cavities but a very long nose that did a similar function to a thin nose. Clothing has played a huge role in allowing people with certain traits to migrate to regions they did not do so well in naked.
Humanity is infinitely diverse and a beautiful thing. We are playdoh to the environment. And now we change the environment to us.

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Old 04-23-2014, 06:31 AM
 
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Neolithically? During the Roman Empire?
Sicilians, not Italians in general, intermarried with Arabs during the Middle Ages
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