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View Poll Results: Are italians mixed with middle easterners?
Yes, paleolithically 15 34.88%
Yes, more recently 2 4.65%
Both long ago and recently 16 37.21%
Not at all 10 23.26%
Voters: 43. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-01-2014, 05:54 PM
 
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Yeah, big whoop, I have better things to do with my time then to worry if I have Moorish blood in my family tree
You and me no, luckily.
I have some friend who are afraid of any jewish or moorish ancestors.
The gaditanos are proud that their city was founded by the phoenicians.
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:27 PM
 
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You and me no, luckily.
I have some friend who are afraid of any jewish or moorish ancestors.
The gaditanos are proud that their city was founded by the phoenicians.
Heaven forbid A jew or a black in someone's heritage. We are all out of Africa originally so whats the point
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Old 05-02-2014, 03:22 PM
 
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Peloponnesians, despite being further south geographically, actually have more Slavic and Arvanite influence than central Greeks.
Arvanites are Albanians and they live in central Greece for the most part.

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Old 05-02-2014, 05:53 PM
 
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Arvanites are Albanians and they live in central Greece for the most part.
They've been Hellenized, those in the Peloponnese.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:47 PM
 
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DNA-analysis shows that southern Italians have shares genes with people from the Middle East. It seems that they recently (within 2000 years) mixed with people from the MENA-region. How much I cannot remember but it is not significantly. All southern Europeans have historically mixed with people on the other side of the Mediterranean – it is quite naturally because of the location. Norse mixed with ethnic Finns, Russians, Germans and Central Europeans. Interracial marriage and sexual relationships was uncommon before the colonial period because of the lack of interaction but now it seems to be growing number of people whom enter such relationships. I fact – interracial marriages and sexual relationship was uncommon until the 1950 even in former colonies with an historical high amount of non-whites. I do believe that the Spaniards and whites in the West Indies were more tolerant of such relationships under the colonial era.
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Old 05-03-2014, 03:57 AM
 
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They've been Hellenized, those in the Peloponnese.
They're albanians not ethnic greeks, the same of arbëreshë community in Italy.
They're also italianized albanians but they're not italians.
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Old 05-03-2014, 04:06 AM
 
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DNA-analysis shows that southern Italians have shares genes with people from the Middle East. It seems that they recently (within 2000 years) mixed with people from the MENA-region. How much I cannot remember but it is not significantly. All southern Europeans have historically mixed with people on the other side of the Mediterranean – it is quite naturally because of the location. Norse mixed with ethnic Finns, Russians, Germans and Central Europeans. Interracial marriage and sexual relationships was uncommon before the colonial period because of the lack of interaction but now it seems to be growing number of people whom enter such relationships. I fact – interracial marriages and sexual relationship was uncommon until the 1950 even in former colonies with an historical high amount of non-whites. I do believe that the Spaniards and whites in the West Indies were more tolerant of such relationships under the colonial era.
The West Asian genes isn't Middle Eastern but prevailing in the north Caucasus and therefore is not a Near Eastern component.
Ötzi carried the G2a haplogroup and he was a typical neolithic farmer.
So, West Asia admixture also in southern Italy is neolithic and not so recent.
Some near eastern shepherds arrived in Europe in the same period and they were a minority.
Semitic, near eastern component in south Italy, mainlander and islander, is pretty negligible.
The J1 haplogroup in south Italy is 4% overall and the slaves during the roman empire were not only syrians or anatolians but also gauls and germans and I doubt that they may have left significant genetic traces.
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Old 05-03-2014, 05:41 AM
 
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My Italian grandmother always told me that her maternal grandfather looked more Arab than Italian. I saw his picture, and he had very curly hair and his skin looked kind of tan. It was a black and white photo, but his skin definitely looked darker than mine. I remember my great-grandmother having somewhat of a dark complexion.

I think there is North African admixture, but it's probably a lot heavier in the south of Italy. My grandmother's family originates in Campania and Calabria. It's probably highest of all in Sicily and Sardinia, which actually belonged to several North African empires (the Carthaginians and the Moors both ruled Sicily).

I've got a little Arbëreshë though my maternal grandmother's maternal grandmother. She was from a village near Reggio di Calabria. She did not speak Albanian and she was a Roman Catholic, but she had an Arbëreshë surname and her family preserved a lot of the cultural traditions.

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Old 05-03-2014, 07:35 AM
 
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My Italian grandmother always told me that her maternal grandfather looked more Arab than Italian. I saw his picture, and he had very curly hair and his skin looked kind of tan. It was a black and white photo, but his skin definitely looked darker than mine. I remember my great-grandmother having somewhat of a dark complexion.

I think there is North African admixture, but it's probably a lot heavier in the south of Italy. My grandmother's family originates in Campania and Calabria. It's probably highest of all in Sicily and Sardinia, which actually belonged to several North African empires (the Carthaginians and the Moors both ruled Sicily).

I've got a little Arbëreshë though my maternal grandmother's maternal grandmother. She was from a village near Reggio di Calabria. She did not speak Albanian and she was a Roman Catholic, but she had an Arbëreshë surname and her family preserved a lot of the cultural traditions.
Dark complexion doesn't mean african admixture but only adaptations to climate.
Southern Italy has a very high solar radiation, so the local people has developed a darker skin than central or northern europeans.
The african admixture, paternal and maternal haplogroups, in Italy is very little.
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Old 05-03-2014, 12:48 PM
 
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I think there is North African admixture, but it's probably a lot heavier in the south of Italy. My grandmother's family originates in Campania and Calabria. It's probably highest of all in Sicily and Sardinia, which actually belonged to several North African empires (the Carthaginians and the Moors both ruled Sicily).
The historical division in Sicily, which would eventually fade on a cultural level but on a genetic level to an extent has always been present, is a heavier Levantine influence in the west of the island (Palermo, Trapani and especially Agrigento) and a higher Greek influence in the east (Enna, Catania, Messina, etc.). The Carthaginians were Phoenicians who established themselves in North Africa and thus originally came from Lebanon, thus they also would have carried genes in common with Jews, Druze, etc. and brought those to Sicily too.
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