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Agrigento isn't west Sicily but is in the south part of the island and it was a dorian greek city and never phoenician.
The phoenician influences in west coast of Sicily is pretty negligible because they founded just two cities such as Palermo and Mozia.
The last city was destroyed by Dionysius of Siracusa and the survivors sold as slaves meanwhile Palermo was a small emporium with a few number of inhabitans.
The modern ennesi descendent mainly from lombard and even some french settlers during the middle ages.
The native sicilians (sicels, sicanian, mamertini) were italics, related with latins and samnites, and ligurians or even iberians.
The west asian presence in south east Europe according to Cavalli-Sforza is mainly due the neolithic expansion of agriculture.
Agrigento isn't west Sicily but is in the south part of the island and it was a dorian greek city and never phoenician.
The phoenician influences in west coast of Sicily is pretty negligible because they founded just two cities such as Palermo and Mozia.
The last city was destroyed by Dionysius of Siracusa and the survivors sold as slaves meanwhile Palermo was a small emporium with a few number of inhabitans.
The modern ennesi descendent mainly from lombard and even some french settlers during the middle ages.
The native sicilians (sicels, sicanian, mamertini) were italics, related with latins and samnites, and ligurians or even iberians.
The west asian presence in south east Europe according to Cavalli-Sforza is mainly due the neolithic expansion of agriculture.
I saw that it is hypothesized that there was always a West Asian and a Central European element in Sicily even before Greek and Roman times.. Neolithic expansion basically which impacted Sicily more than most of Europe. The original Greeks also had both eastern and western affinities and this would have made them similar to Sicilians even before colonization.
I saw that it is hypothesized that there was always a West Asian and a Central European element in Sicily even before Greek and Roman times.. Neolithic expansion basically which impacted Sicily more than most of Europe. The original Greeks also had both eastern and western affinities and this would have made them similar to Sicilians even before colonization.
This time I agree with you.
Before the arrival of aryan populations, that carried the R1b and R1a haplogroups, most of southern europe was inhabited by a pelasgian people who probably was the descendants of neolithic farmers from Caucasus.
Oetzi, the father of modern italians, was a neolithic farmer, autosomally and with the G2a haplogroup.
It is no coincidence that the greeks and southern italians are still genetically very similar.
Last edited by mattewland; 05-03-2014 at 06:10 PM..
This time I agree with you.
Before the arrival of aryan populations, that carried the R1b and R1a haplogroups, most of southern europe was inhabited by a pelasgian people who probably was the descendants of neolithic farmers from Caucasus.
Oetzi, the father of modern italians, was a neolithic farmer, autosomally and with the G2a haplogroup.
It is no coincidence that the greeks and southern italians are still genetically very similar.
Yes. And I think they were similar even before they began directly interacting in ancient times. Also worth noting is that the closest Greeks, genetically, to southern Italians are those from the islands, since mainland Greece experienced some degree of Slavic invasion.
Also, the Neolithic farmers would have been of West Asian stock, so even if Phoenicians didn't directly leave a lot of genetic imprint, Neolithic genes would have been not that dissimilar from Phoenician either.
Italians are also mixed with Negroids.
They have on average 9% - 10% Sub-Saharan Black ancestry.
That is why they can often produce negroid looking people like these.
A North Italian man
From calcioweb.eu
Sub-Saharan ancestry in the white Italian population is of no importance. The fellow posted above has a large nose but would more Balkan-looking than being a person of mixed White and Black ancestry!
Sub-Saharan ancestry in the white Italian population is of no importance. The fellow posted above has a large nose but would more Balkan-looking than being a person of mixed White and Black ancestry!
Indeed there is no significant sub saharan mtdna and autosomal dna at all among mainland Italians. Ancient West Asian admixture dates back to neoltich and early copper age, but it had very little effect on the phenotype, since Italians have a considerable amount of light eyes/skin alleles compared to other South Europeans.
Italians who have the most Middle Eastern/North African ancestry are Sicilians and Calabrians, as you go up north from those areas that ancestry decreases significantly. The average Calabrian/Sicilian has 10% middle eastern/north african ancestry and it mostly came from Roman times and the Carthaginian presence in Sicily.
That isn't non-Caucasian ancestry anyway since it is only non-Caucasian if you have asiatic or sub-saharan black ancestry and Italians only have 0.1-2% non-Caucasian ancestry depending on the person.
For the most part about 85-87% of the Italian genetic structure is the same as it was in ancient Roman times. Nothern Italians have about 10% Germanic ancestry on average from the Germanic invasions but Germans have more southern European ancestry by comparison, for example, about 20% of Germany itself are people who are not Nordic (all germanic people were Nordic Caucasian types).
Italians are also mixed with Negroids.
They have on average 9% - 10% Sub-Saharan Black ancestry.
That is why they can often produce negroid looking people like these.
A North Italian man
From calcioweb.eu
These averages you mention aren't correct in Southern European you will find islolated pockets of people with higher percetages however 9-10% is BS. Usually when you see posts of high percentages of Sub-Saharan admixture in Southern European in this case Italians it is some idiot that is reading percentages of MtDNA, but it isn't ever corroborated by autosomal DNA. Even in the populations that are touted as having the highest in Iberia it is rare to find someone with more than 3% Sub-Saharan autsomal DNA.
Italians are genetically much closer to other Europeans than they would to Middle-Easterners and North Africans.
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