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View Poll Results: Are italians mixed with middle easterners?
Yes, paleolithically 15 34.88%
Yes, more recently 2 4.65%
Both long ago and recently 16 37.21%
Not at all 10 23.26%
Voters: 43. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-01-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Albert Vall View Post
This is my situation.
Valencia was occupied during the centuries by Phoenicians and also for 500 years by the moors.
So I also considered the idea that I have north african blood.
Many spaniards outside Andalucía they are afraid of that, but for me it's not a problem.

Indeed.

Valencia, like Andalucía and the Canary Islands would have elements of North African blood by the Moors and Phoenicians, I mean both of those different periods would finally make one wonder about the impact.

Yes I would also be open to whichever blood I have down further down the line whether North African or even African although I am British of French origins.

At least you are not that afraid to admit your admixed blood, so I respect you more.
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Old 05-01-2014, 01:16 PM
 
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Indeed.

Valencia, like Andalucía and the Canary Islands would have elements of North African blood by the Moors and Phoenicians, I mean both of those different periods would finally make one wonder about the impact.

Yes I would also be open to whichever blood I have down further down the line whether North African or even African although I am British of French origins.

At least you are not that afraid to admit your admixed blood, so I respect you more.
Not only these three comunidades have moorish and phoenician blood but also large part of Spain such as Murcia, islas Baleares and of course moorish blood into Castilla, Extremadura etc.
Not a problem for me to have moorish blood.
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Old 05-01-2014, 01:47 PM
 
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I forgot to add it.
I'm glad you mentioned Africa. African blood is usually ignored or downplayed.
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Old 05-01-2014, 01:48 PM
 
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He doesn't look too 'negroid'. There are also some people like this in Hungary and Bulgaria and they don't have any Sub-Saharan African ancestry at all.
How do you know for sure? Some may not and some may, in fact, have Sub-Saharan African ancestry. People just downplay or reject African ancestry, so you may never know for sure.
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Old 05-01-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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We do not have african blood, also our southerners, just neolithic west asian influences.
I've heard and read, otherwise.

How do you know for sure that EVERY Italian does not have African blood?
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Old 05-01-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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It hilarious to see a lot of these people try and downplay the Moorish presence in Southern Europe. Lets forget that they were there for over 700 years. lol.
It's like they refuse to accept that they might have some non-European ancestry.
I know, right?

They are quick to accuse Africans of being mixed with white blood, but the moment you speak on a white group being mixed with black/african blood, it's a totally different reaction. lol
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:51 PM
 
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I know, right?

They are quick to accuse Africans of being mixed with white blood, but the moment you speak on a white group being mixed with black/african blood, it's a totally different reaction. lol
"Are Italians mixed with Middle Easterners and North Africans?"
I'm sure many are, considering there has been continous trade around the Med and in that region since man left Africa thousands of years ago.

"it's a totally different reaction"
Hardly, in my case. I really didn't care when I found out I had more than trace amounts of African DNA. Conduct a poll or find some supporting data before you make such broad statments.

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Not only these three comunidades have moorish and phoenician blood but also large part of Spain such as Murcia, islas Baleares and of course moorish blood into Castilla, Extremadura etc.
Not a problem for me to have moorish blood.
Yeah, big whoop, I have better things to do with my time then to worry if I have Moorish blood in my family tree
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:35 PM
 
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I've heard and read, otherwise.

How do you know for sure that EVERY Italian does not have African blood?
Genetic studies, african admixture in Italy is very low.
Is much higher in Iberia.
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:51 PM
 
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Peloponnesians, despite being further south geographically, actually have more Slavic and Arvanite influence than central Greeks. Islanders are similar to central Greeks though, and I have seen this when both were included. When you see "East Greeks" that means islanders, and they are usually very close to southern Italians.
Arvanites aren't ethnic greeks.
In this study lack southern and islander greeks, so is difficult to say where they cluster exactly.
Generally greek islander are a bit close to cypriot than they do the mailanders and cypriots in this study are far from the southern italian and sicilian.
Besides over 5,5 millions of greeks live in center Greece, so 60/65% of mainlander greeks are central greeks and in this greek forum say that slavic admixture is pretty few.

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Old 05-01-2014, 03:58 PM
 
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2) Contrary to beliefs by many in Turkey and certain Slavic nations of ex-Yugoslavia, Greek DNA has not been influenced, nor altered, by the mixture of Slavic or Turkish DNA, even though Ottomans ruled a large part of Greece for 400 years.

5) The DNA of Italians in modern day southern Italy is the closest match to the DNA of their Greek neighbors.
So the ancient greek blood in modern greeks and southern italian has been preserved and the influence of foreign occupation is pretty minimal.
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