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Old 07-28-2018, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Russia
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I've already listened to your drivel about "two cars per family," (which was easy to disprove,) so why should I keep on listening to "others point of view," peddled by PutinTV?
Judging by the rhetoric, I do not want to listen at all ) in any case, you can believe in anti-Russian propaganda and much more ) maybe you have a personal American dream failed and barely enough money to rent a plywood wing in an old house and a little plastic food.Who knows? Maybe all this makes your hard life not so sad? )))

Yes, not every family has two cars, although if we consider the family not only as a couple, but a family in full understanding, I do not know. In any case, it was about what people could afford before and now. And it is quite another level.By by the way, Russia is very different from what we are told in the West and a special Pro-Western media. How do you go to their website, and it turns out that we are all here, had to die of hunger, well, almost immediately after the election of Putin))) well, or five years at most) but we live )Build roads, bridges, cities are improving to beauty, the industry has restored and so on ))
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Old 07-28-2018, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Russia
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P.S. Oh yeah... Red banners.
I see the first videos are showing up ( here is Zyuganov is making speech himself against the pension reform and reasons behind it)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sDmZSZ8QCo&t=55s

But I'm sure there are more videos to come...
Mm, from what minute to look at the crowd of millions of protesters? And at what point will the lawlessness of police beatings and arrests begin? ))) Question not only to you )
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Old 07-28-2018, 03:51 PM
 
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Judging by the rhetoric, I do not want to listen at all ) in any case, you can believe in anti-Russian propaganda and much more ) maybe you have a personal American dream failed and barely enough money to rent a plywood wing in an old house and a little plastic food.Who knows? Maybe all this makes your hard life not so sad? )))

Yes, not every family has two cars, although if we consider the family not only as a couple, but a family in full understanding, I do not know. In any case, it was about what people could afford before and now. And it is quite another level.By by the way, Russia is very different from what we are told in the West and a special Pro-Western media. How do you go to their website, and it turns out that we are all here, had to die of hunger, well, almost immediately after the election of Putin))) well, or five years at most) but we live )Build roads, bridges, cities are improving to beauty, the industry has restored and so on ))
You don't say...
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Old 07-28-2018, 03:55 PM
 
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You don't say...
What did you want to say? Translator, strange translation)

No, that's right. but it's still not clear.
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Old 07-28-2018, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Today in Belgorod)) the inscription on the poster " Horns and hooves, I'll drop them to retirement.."Who can correctly translate? and today I was in the city center and tried to find protesters on the square ,and they, are closer to the station protested. Oh, I should have gotten a haircut like that, my Barber's there. Then he would certainly have found them )))
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Old 07-28-2018, 05:54 PM
 
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Oh so they've had a rally even in your neck of woods?
So the protests were held not only in the big cities then?

Here I see Moscow, Vladivostok, Yekaterinburg, Nizhny Novgorod.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Rw5aCIAO0

Here is St. Petersburg. ( I see the nationalists are supporting Communists here)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8qXAbjSTTY

Penza


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RsqkKQ2Kr4

Kazan'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSpopbyrD9A

The videos keep on coming in, and since the left seem to organize more and more cities, it doesn't look that we've heard the last of it.

So if I were you Turist, I'd be afraid, very afraid for your "Russian dream" and that stone house built with... whatchamacallit.. clinker bricks - yes.

Because unlike in the story about the three little piggies, it might not stand up to a big bad wolf this time around)))

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Old 07-28-2018, 06:35 PM
 
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So people are protesting the raising of the retirement age? Good for them, the question for me is can it be justified? Were I Putin I'd listen to the people. He is in power because of their TOLERANCE and no other reason.
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Old 07-28-2018, 06:58 PM
 
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Today in Belgorod)) the inscription on the poster " Horns and hooves, I'll drop them to retirement.."
It's a Russian idiom that means "I will die before retirement".
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Old 07-28-2018, 07:33 PM
 
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So people are protesting the raising of the retirement age? Good for them, the question for me is can it be justified?
Of course it can be justified ( if I understand your question correctly.)
The morons in Duma are pointing to Russians at the West, ( "look what age people retire THERE,") pretending that there is no difference between Russia and "the West."
To which Russians are obviously responding that "YOU might feel like there is no difference between your life style and the West, as for us - where are our "Western-size salaries," "Western-size pensions," Western-style health-care, and the rest.
So yes, they know perfectly well that their standards of living ( en mass) are really not "Western," they know that their life expectancy on average is even lower than official Russian statistics are trying to present. And most of all they know that people in jobs with physical requirements won't be able to pull their jobs through after 60.

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Were I Putin I'd listen to the people.
He IS very jittery about the whole issue.
He knows darn well, that his popularity lays with older generation, and he repeated publicly over and over before, that as long as he is a president, the age of retirement is not going to be raised.
He knows that he is at the tough spot now, not being able to distance himself from the whole "reform" issue, and he is trying to wiggle out of it as much as he can, giving hints that may be the new law will not pass after all.


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He is in power because of their TOLERANCE and no other reason.
Yes, but this reform is not coming out of nowhere either. As much as Putin would love to abstain from this reform, his financial advisers ( I assume the same who talked him out of bringing troops to Donbass) are telling him that the "balance sheet" requires them ( as much as some other reforms, the НДС ( tax raise) as well.
And the reason for it I'm sure... well, I saw few times out of the corner of my eye ( while going through news on Russia) that wizards from WallStreet/Goldman Sax were quietly admiring Herman Gref - the CEO of Sberbank and Nabiullina winking at them from afar ( and may be not from such afar,) and dropping hints that Russia will *remain attractive for Western investors* as long as the cost of labor will be held down. ( That's to make the long story short.)
And there you have it.
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Old 07-28-2018, 10:08 PM
 
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Of course it can be justified ( if I understand your question correctly.)
The morons in Duma are pointing to Russians at the West, ( "look what age people retire THERE,") pretending that there is no difference between Russia and "the West."
To which Russians are obviously responding that "YOU might feel like there is no difference between your life style and the West, as for us - where are our "Western-size salaries," "Western-size pensions," Western-style health-care, and the rest.
So yes, they know perfectly well that their standards of living ( en mass) are really not "Western," they know that their life expectancy on average is even lower than official Russian statistics are trying to present. And most of all they know that people in jobs with physical requirements won't be able to pull their jobs through after 60.



He IS very jittery about the whole issue.
He knows darn well, that his popularity lays with older generation, and he repeated publicly over and over before, that as long as he is a president, the age of retirement is not going to be raised.
He knows that he is at the tough spot now, not being able to distance himself from the whole "reform" issue, and he is trying to wiggle out of it as much as he can, giving hints that may be the new law will not pass after all.




Yes, but this reform is not coming out of nowhere either. As much as Putin would love to abstain from this reform, his financial advisers ( I assume the same who talked him out of bringing troops to Donbass) are telling him that the "balance sheet" requires them ( as much as some other reforms, the НДС ( tax raise) as well.
And the reason for it I'm sure... well, I saw few times out of the corner of my eye ( while going through news on Russia) that wizards from WallStreet/Goldman Sax were quietly admiring Herman Gref - the CEO of Sberbank and Nabiullina winking at them from afar ( and may be not from such afar,) and dropping hints that Russia will *remain attractive for Western investors* as long as the cost of labor will be held down. ( That's to make the long story short.)
And there you have it.
Hmm...
It looks like I was right about that one, here it goes;


"Soon after the incumbent president’s triumph at the polls, the former finance minister (and Putin confidant) Alexey Kudrin published an article entitled “Three Tasks for Two Years”, in which he argued the next two years would be decisive for economic growth in Russia. According to Kudrin, Putin’s convincing election win had opened a window of opportunity for the structural reforms, including pension reforms, necessary to economic growth. His belief was fully shared by international financial institutions. Thus, in its report on its recent visit to Russia, the IMF recommended increasing the retirement age. As Putin’s fourth presidential term got underway, pension reform was, apparently, a point of consensus within the Russian political and financial elite. Putin’s high vote totals assured them large-scale popular protests would be unlikely."


"1 July was marked by a wave of protest rallies, attended by tens of thousands of people. On 18 July, significant protests against the proposed reform took place in Moscow and Petersburg. Anti-pension reform rallies have been held in 154 Russian cities to date.

The propaganda counterattack undertaken by the authorities via state-controlled media was clearly ill prepared. Numerous journalists and alleged experts who had previously specialised in anti-western conspiracy theories and conservative “culture wars” set about trying to prove that raising the retirement age was the done thing in the developed world. The television news programs were chock-a-block with stories about happy senior citizens, ready to lead active lives and open to change. The down-in-the-mouth paternalism of the proposed reform’s critics was contrasted with the virtue of individual responsibility and the ability to compete and succeed. One MP from the ruling United Russia party called on Russians to leave their comfort zone. The regime’s new rhetoric, borrowed from the idiom of business seminars on personal growth and the psychology of winning, obviously struck an unpersuasive note in a country in which a third of the populace lives below the poverty line and feels like losers."



I guess the pesky International Financial Institutions will not calm down until they will bring Communists back to power in Russia?
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