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Old 10-26-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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Germany has an american missile defense system. They are actually a vassal of America when it comes to military.

France alone has the capability to turn western Russia into a lake of fire. They have the SAMP/T air defense system for the ground and the PAAMS at sea. Good luck touching France.

Romania recently ordered a Patriot 3 system to compliment Poland's and their American AEGIS SM-3 site. They are also fielding 12 F-16s since last year, which isn't a bad start to upgrading from Russian junk.

Hungary is landlocked between allied nations and not too important for NATO defense.

Scandinavia: Norway is adding military bases in the north, and has about 40 F-35s on order, maybe half have been delivered by now. Sweden recently requested permission to purchase a Patriot system. Finland is beefing up their navy.

Hats off to Putin, not only did he finalize the independence of the Ukrainian nation but he brought together NATO and its partners like nobody thought possible.
Why would they need all of this if Russian military equipment and training is so poor? As you stated/alluded to?
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Old 10-26-2018, 03:06 PM
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All are good news.
The more the US is trying to corner Russia, the more things are coming to an inevitable end)))

P.S. It was not "Putin" that "finalized Ukrainian independence," it's the Brzesinsky's doctrine, that American politicians keep on pursuing, trying to destroy Russia since the 90ies.
Good luck with that)))
Sorry but we already beat Russia in the 90s so there is no reason to destroy in the sense you describe. I understand that for much of its history the Kremlin needs to invent enemies to unite the nation but this "cornering" from the USA is imaginary.

As for Ukraine, they (correctly) feel the threat is from the east not the west. If they want to join us, who can blame them. Its too late, they already discovered life in the west is better than in the east, so there is nothing Russia can do to stop this. The harder they fight Ukraine for leaving, the further the distance split. I am impressed with the determination of many Russians to die and suffer poverty to keep Ukraine its colony but this a lost cause.
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Old 10-26-2018, 03:08 PM
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Why would they need all of this if Russian military equipment and training is so poor? As you stated/alluded to?
Russia has numbers on its side who are willing to die in large numbers (see Ukraine) so that makes them dangerous in spite of their inferiority.
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Old 10-26-2018, 04:51 PM
 
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PCR's take on the sale of S-400s to the Saudis

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Old 10-26-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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Sorry but we already beat Russia in the 90s so there is no reason to destroy in the sense you describe. I understand that for much of its history the Kremlin needs to invent enemies to unite the nation but this "cornering" from the USA is imaginary.
There is no "we" in tis case ( since the majority of Americans are clueless to what their politicians are doing abroad,) - that's number one, and number two - these politicians only HOPED that they finished Russia off back in the nineties. If their hopes would have been fulfilled for real, there would have been no need for today's anti-Russian hysteria.

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As for Ukraine, they (correctly) feel the threat is from the east not the west.
If they want to join us, who can blame them. Its too late, they already discovered life in the west is better than in the east, so there is nothing Russia can do to stop this.
They are the naive fools, sort of like a lot of Soviet intelligentsia back in the day, who "discovered that life in the West is better than in the East," but "joining" that life was a whole different matter."


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The harder they fight Ukraine for leaving, the further the distance split. I am impressed with the determination of many Russians to die and suffer poverty to keep Ukraine its colony but this a lost cause.
Those Russians who are "ready to die and suffer poverty" have the same determination as they've had back in the 1941. Because they understand that the enemy is at the gate yet again, even though you are too naive/indoctrinated to see things though.
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Old 10-27-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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They are the naive fools, sort of like a lot of Soviet intelligentsia back in the day, who "discovered that life in the West is better than in the East," but "joining" that life was a whole different matter."
There are a lot of people who follow topics in politics, foreign affairs, and economics like sports fans and homers in particular. They always take one side regardless of the right or wrong. Homers will usually skew information or just flat out lie. The extreme homers always feel the need to contradict information and opinion so you see a lot of superfluous comments that sometimes make little sense.
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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It looks like both Russia and the US are walking away from the arms limitation treaties signed in the 1980s. Arms race anyone?

Hopefully both sides are going to step back, assess the situation and start over on a new series of treaties. This is needed because technology has changed drastically over the last 30 years. Just how long this is going to take is not known. How much money will be wasted will be astronomical.
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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Bellingcat online 'investigator', which is often used as a source in the news on Ukraine, has outed himself as a propaganda operation funded by the US State Department. He provided a list of funding sources including NED and Soros' OSF. He was the lead source for Western news media in the MH17 investigation from the UK side of the conflict. Several years ago, the main online twitter account for IS propaganda and recruitment was outed as a fake as well.

As FP stated at the time, there are a large number of people who share the political aims with ISIS campaign to destabilize the MENA.

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a certain category of Islamic State sympathizer across the Muslim world – those who wholeheartedly back the group in public even though they do not share the same characteristics of the jihadists they purportedly support. According to dozens of interviews I have conducted with Islamic State members over the past several months as part of research for a book, he is hardly an aberration within the jihadist landscape. Young people like him constitute a sizable part of the Islamic State’s members or support base. They believe in its political project — but not necessarily its ideological one.
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Old 10-28-2018, 11:16 AM
 
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Yes, his father was an abusive drunk so she left him, but there was more to it; they lived in slams, his mother ( being a nurse) could barely afford the rent. As I've said before - there is a *Soviet* kind of poverty, and there is American kind. He lived in poverty of American kind, so he was much more desperate and he hated his life.
His mother turned to religion ( she was part of Jehovah witness group,) he had nowhere to turn it seems, other than hatred and violence.
Do you mean a poverty of morals? No compass and no guidance? What's the difference between Soviet poverty and American poverty in your opinion?
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Old 10-28-2018, 01:12 PM
 
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Do you mean a poverty of morals? No compass and no guidance? What's the difference between Soviet poverty and American poverty in your opinion?
To make the long story short - Soviet society was not run on money ( unlike Americans society,) so money situation was not defying you, as in "who/what you are." The low cost of living was placing everyone into more or less the same bracket (as far as living standards go) - apartment/room in the communal flat, which was symbolic in cost ( i.e. no worries with such thing as "rent.") Practically everyone was using the same kind of transportation - i.e. public transportation, and very few were allowed to go abroad (i.e to buy fancy things).
So essentially the "privileged" ones simply had better clothing, better furniture, and better food somewhat, because they could afford to go to the market more often. ( I am talking about the 60ies-70ies of course, the 80ies were already a whole different story.)
So under these circumstances being from a "poor family" as a youngster didn't mean much.
Yes, some were envious because of the fancy clothes others could wear or what's not, but it's NOTHING like the separation you see in America, where by the High School everyone is aware that those who live in the houses get their cars by the time they are 16, their way is paved to private Universities and so on, while others live in rented apartments, and their way is paved to god knows where.
And that's the kind of poverty Russia has now ( following the shining American example); that's the kind of poverty this guy lived in, where they were struggling to pay the rent. I think it affects youngsters psyche, and particularly without the adequate guidance from adult figure.
I mean he was a rotten kid to begin with - yes, but the desperation of his social status/life definitely added to a problem; he hated his life and was willing to part with it, but not without making others to pay the price.
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