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Old 06-11-2020, 12:15 AM
 
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Please, please, please. Is it colonial and slave trade legacy (and then the United States will need its 70 years of a Soviet Union States of America to destroy old elites and create its own "Soviet America person" equal in everything) or something else?

"Please please please" as in you want to hear my opinion?


If yes, then hang on, need to feed my birds and then I'll try to respond as short as I can at this hour)))
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Old 06-11-2020, 12:35 AM
 
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Please, please, please. Is it colonial and slave trade legacy (and then the United States will need its 70 years of a Soviet Union States of America to destroy old elites and create its own "Soviet America person" equal in everything) or something else?

OK, so definitely it's slave trade legacy and incompatibility of Black culture with White American culture to begin with.

That's number one.
And number two - incompatibility of "left ideas" ( women emancipation including,) that are fairly new in America, with the "right wing" ideas, on which this country was founded.

That's to make the long story short.

As for the "70 years of a Soviet Union States of America" - I have no idea what you are talking about.
Because, as I've said earlier, US and Russia are VERY different countries in their essence, no matter who is trying to present/imagine it otherwise.
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Old 06-11-2020, 12:50 AM
 
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No, its not even close. The last time I was in Moscow, I recall this question with a friend of a friend for whom I was the first American they ever spoke to. "Did you notice how much cheaper things are here?" No! Gas is the same, and nearly everything else was more expensive than my city with the exception of public transit, utilities and some basic foods at the store like bread and beer. And not long ago a Russian friend visited here for the first time she surprised at how cheap everything is, as if they were expecting groceries for a week to cost us $500! I dug deeper and she told me that's what they are all told about life in the west that we actually are the same as people in Russia when you account for our prices. I'm sorry to say, that isn't true.

Labor intensive prices are going to be lower, so home remodeling is cheaper there but not by as much as you think. Things like haircuts are cheap in Russia, but a computer or TV is probably more expensive than we pay.

I have 2 newer cars I bought in the past 2 years for the wife and I. Total amount paid was $70,000 and I guarantee you the same would cost $100,000 in Russia. And for my ordinary Los Angeles professional salary, this is normal without a problem. Could the average professional muscovite say the same?

DKM...
Russians who are REALLY interested in life in the US ( and this includes prices, COL overall,) are watching different youtubers that report straight from America what they see/experience here, as I've mentioned before.

So this is just an example - this gal is showing what she can buy in US, being on a budget for a week of groceries. ( I think she is somewhere in your neck of woods - in California.)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfaPQG5XYNo
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Old 06-11-2020, 01:11 AM
 
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^

P.S. Ughh.. sorry.. this was the wrong video.
I've lost the one I was talking about, but this one gives more ideas regarding prices ( comparably to Russian ones, food including.)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxYywXwVF14


Oh... here is the first one I was talking about))



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsSKm3-nc6w
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Old 06-11-2020, 02:30 AM
 
Location: Russia
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"please please please" as in you want to hear my opinion?
yes!
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Old 06-11-2020, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Russia
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OK, so definitely it's slave trade legacy and incompatibility of Black culture with White American culture to begin with.

That's number one.
And number two - incompatibility of "left ideas" ( women emancipation including,) that are fairly new in America, with the "right wing" ideas, on which this country was founded.

That's to make the long story short.

As for the "70 years of a Soviet Union States of America" - I have no idea what you are talking about.
Because, as I've said earlier, US and Russia are VERY different countries in their essence, no matter who is trying to present/imagine it otherwise.
Thank! About Soviet power - in Russia there was also slave (soft form serfdom). And serfdom mentality was broken by the Revolution 1917 and subsequent upbringing of the "Soviet person".
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Old 06-11-2020, 03:40 AM
 
Location: Russia
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No, its not even close. The last time I was in Moscow, I recall this question with a friend of a friend for whom I was the first American they ever spoke to. "Did you notice how much cheaper things are here?" No! Gas is the same, and nearly everything else was more expensive than my city with the exception of public transit, utilities and some basic foods at the store like bread and beer. And not long ago a Russian friend visited here for the first time she surprised at how cheap everything is, as if they were expecting groceries for a week to cost us $500! I dug deeper and she told me that's what they are all told about life in the west that we actually are the same as people in Russia when you account for our prices. I'm sorry to say, that isn't true.

Labor intensive prices are going to be lower, so home remodeling is cheaper there but not by as much as you think. Things like haircuts are cheap in Russia, but a computer or TV is probably more expensive than we pay.

I have 2 newer cars I bought in the past 2 years for the wife and I. Total amount paid was $70,000 and I guarantee you the same would cost $100,000 in Russia. And for my ordinary Los Angeles professional salary, this is normal without a problem. Could the average professional muscovite say the same?
This dispute is somewhat objectless... I can agree that electronics and cars are somewhat more expensive in Russia. But again, expensive things are usually bought on credit and therefore their cost does not play a big role if you are able to paid of credit to buy them.. I'm almost sure that you also took a car on credit and not for cash..

As for the rest let's just compare prices in Wallmart and LeroyMerlin (it's practically analog of Wallmart)

Some positions:

(Current rate 68rub per $.)

Portable Heater Fan 1500W - 17.90$ (Wallmart )
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Comfort-Z...-CZ40/19524986

Portable Heater Fan 2000W - 7.43$ (LeroyMerlin)
https://leroymerlin.ru/product/teplo...0-vt-18565894/

Drill Metabo PowerMaxx BS 12
159$ (Wallmart )
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Metabo-60...2-Ah/234788796

111$ (LeroyMerlin)
https://leroymerlin.ru/product/drel-...xxsb-82334541/

LED light bulb 9W - 1.49$(Wallmart)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Val...-Pack/53017081

LED light bulb 10W - 0.97$(LeroyMerlin)
https://leroymerlin.ru/product/lampa...elyy-18051906/

Eurosmart Single-Handle Kitchen Faucet (GROHE) - 188$(Wallmart )
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Eurosmart...ucet/904471681

Single-Handle Kitchen Faucet(GROHE) - 127$ (LeroyMerlin)
https://leroymerlin.ru/product/smesi...ivom-19729920/


Barrel Bolt
2.27$ (Wallmart)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bulldog-H...lated/48003214
0.79$ (LeroyMerlin)
https://leroymerlin.ru/product/shpin...0-sn-81928235/

Doorknob
13.97$ (Wallmart)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Brink-s-E...inish/16783850

4.16$(LeroyMerlin)
https://leroymerlin.ru/product/ruchk...n-bk-18809502/

And so you can continue indefinitely..

In General, in addition to electronics, all types of household items in the US are noticeably more expensive. And if you take the rates for rental housing, electricity, gas, water, Internet and service prices.. There is a huge difference here..
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Old 06-11-2020, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Russia
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^

P.S. Ughh.. sorry.. this was the wrong video.
I've lost the one I was talking about, but this one gives more ideas regarding prices ( comparably to Russian ones, food including.)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsSKm3-nc6w
I am trying to collect the same set in our store and compare it. Food prices are really quite low.
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Old 06-11-2020, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Russia
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So this is just an example - this gal is showing what she can buy in US, being on a budget for a week of groceries. ( I think she is somewhere in your neck of woods - in California.)
I think it's too much optimistic. I can eat this in 3-4 days at most.
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Earth
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DKM...
Russians who are REALLY interested in life in the US ( and this includes prices, COL overall,) are watching different youtubers that report straight from America what they see/experience here, as I've mentioned before.

So this is just an example - this gal is showing what she can buy in US, being on a budget for a week of groceries. ( I think she is somewhere in your neck of woods - in California.)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfaPQG5XYNo

most of that stuff is unhealthy
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