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P.S. Maxim, now when I read this again - it's ECONOMIC, not political.
Russia has similar economic model, POLITICAL model of Russia is still different.
Yes, sure. The political model of Russia has changed little over the past thousand years in meaning. )))) Nevertheless, Putin’s regime has maximum personal freedoms from all regimes. The life of a simple person (not an official, not a military person, etc.) can be very comfortable in modern Russia if person has money.
The other day I saw that modern opposition members found Letov’s song, which was written more than 30 years ago. The modern rock band made a cover for this song and "progressive youth" began to beat in ecstasy.
To elaborate on this further, Americans can be viewed as fairly unruly. The reason I say that is because the country fought a war of independence against the British at the time. This is in contrast to countries like Canada and Australia who gradually gained their independence, but do so without a revolution. Those nations are still part of the British Commonwealth, while the US is not.
Americans still take great pride in their revolution and to this day may still embrace that pioneer spirit that led the country towards it's westward expansion. They believe in the individual over the collective (more so those on the right these days), but it's an important facet of America.
That's also why there's a pretty sharp contrast between the populist alt-right of Europe vs the one found in the US, even though they have expressed solidarity towards one another. Europeans on the right still value universal healthcare and other socialist policies. The right in the US is about individual liberty and getting the federal government to not intrude on local matters at a state and county level. Many on the right in the States think that any form of socialized program is akin to communism. That's why you get libertarian ideology in the US, but less so in Europe, where a strong government presence is still valued.
All of these are reasons why Americans are harder to govern then other Westerners. There will always be a lot of opposition coming from one side. It's less nuanced then in Europe where the left and right still find kinship on certain issues, as opposed to being diametrically opposed to one another.
Now the reason why I suggested that the US is gradually moving towards the left, if ever so slightly, is because of the changing demographics and economic landscape over the past 20-30 years, though the roots go back way further. The income gap between the top percentile and the bottom 20 has grown tremendously as of late. Many young Americans, who grew up in underprivileged families are looking at countries in Western Europe and even Canada as a model to emulate.
On a side note, as grega pointed out, there's no real left wing party in mainstream American politics. Democrats are only slightly to the left of Republicans and would be better described as center-right. Sanders would still be labelled a centrist in Europe, though he's more left oriented than most in his party.
Thank. Capitalism provokes stratification of society and this is very bad. But the ways to combat this stratification are not obvious and probably should be chosen from the characteristics of a particular society.
Really Turist? Really?
You are not tired to peddle Putin's concocted propaganda here?
What makes Putinist crowd so happy, so jubilant?
That Russia doesn't have to deal with the upheaval of Africans/Middle Easterners that Western world has to deal with at this point?
But that's not *Putin's achievement.*
It's the wisdom of previous Russian rulers - Tzars to be exact, who were not willing to look for colonies in Africa or Middle East, but only "took in" people with their lands that they could absorb and assimilate.
So now only Chechens are the major head-ache for Russians as usual, and once the whole bunch of money has been thrown at them, plus Putin negotiated with the local chieftain, and allowed him to run his little Islamic republic as he is pleased, it's more or less quiet at that front.
But what if the money in state coffers will run out? Then what?
Same BS with rivers of blood yet again?
Besides, since Russia is still running this quasi "successful" model of unfettered capitalism, so shrewdly peddled to them by American Democrats, do you think this system backfires only for Americans?
Then think twice.
It's even deadlier for Russians in the long run, because it kills their demographics like there is no tomorrow.
Why do you think Putin and Co started singing sweet songs to "Russian families" regarding the "financial help to mothers with children?"
Because even THEY figured out by now, that with all this draconian policies "profits above all," they are running out of people, and their labor market is dwindling down.
Russian women simply refuse to have children, when they have no guarantees of their well-being and sufficient means to raise them. That's your "successful economic model" right there.
So of course American Democrats knew what they were *selling* to Russians, while most likely hoping to dump this "successful model" in their own country, and to switch it to something more palatable, something more convenient for THEM.
But the whole thing backfired and America received we know who at the end.
Well no, not really, but it's impossible to skip this subject all together, since the model of great stratification as the most "successful one," was sold to Russians back in the 90ies by American Democrats. ( It happened on Clinton's watch. American economists were literally sitting in Kremlin issuing orders. ( Yeltsin was signing them as presidential decrees.)
Well sorry I just used the first video that came my way, so it might be not the best example, but this one will show plenty of other places that will bring my point across, when it comes to Black ghettos.
To be honest, I don't think that Russians ( AS A WHOLE GROUP) even understand what this division is really all about.
They've been so duped by American Democrats thirty years ago, who managed to pass "neo-liberalism" for "liberalism" in post-Soviet Russia, that the political field is very skewed there until today, and basic concepts of "right" and left" are not perceived in the same manner as in the West.
And truth to be told, most Russians probably can't even tell the difference between Republicans and Democrats in economic sense of it, because of what happened in the 90ies.
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Now how the Russian GOVERNMENT goes about it all ( which is I'm sure is much more shrewd and discerning,) - that I can only guess.
But there are no Russian government reps on this board - of that I am sure, so you can sleep well.
The US and these hoods that are a fraction of the US you are hyping in the thread it has no purpose in. Few from Russia are seeing this forum ..... honestly. So what is your intent to lessen the US in threads?
This is the last forum for the USA in anything yet it is the topic. US Politics and Hoods. None of this belongs in this thread. If you think it does WHY? Why should the US Democrats or any Party be discussed here?
Some US cities have more worst hoods then others. Some clean out most of the blight and street-sweepers do clean their streets outside of winters. One city like Chicago does and only one section down a alleyway showed trash. Still most blight it has removed and turned the lots to grass and trees. Too many own nice cars too.
One day in the future they will renew. Might be decades as the US Sunbelt is the growing region today. The US constantly changes. Cities and regions boom and others rise and eventually the abandoned regions renew again. Our cities declined greatly in the 60s 70s into the 80s. Then they began renewal again cores outward. But most never renewed entirely and show where the did not. A under-class has grown sadly.
But still THIS IS ALL THINGS RUSSIA NOT USA..... Russian reps? Well if Russian Bots can bombard the US Social media and more with trashing the less desired to win a political election party and opponent. They surely can have someone view this one. POINT of why the US had become the TOPIC here? All negative on the US I expect from some I read in their other post on C-D too and why no other Ghettos and neighborhoods build originally even as slums. Vast majority of US ghettos were not built to be that, but vibrant housing for its Blue Collar working population and Middle-Class and higher. But were abandoned as Racial change came sadly but those who built them.
The US and these hoods that are a fraction of the US you are hyping in the thread it has no purpose in. Few from Russia are seeing this forum ..... honestly. So what is your intent to lessen the US in threads?
It's not about "lessening."
It's about DISSECTING the current situation in the US, whence it came and why.
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This is the last forum for the USA in anything yet it is the topic. US Politics and Hoods. None of this belongs in this thread. If you think it does WHY?
Because it's mostly Black Americans that are currently rioting/protesting in the US.
If not for them, White Left wing protests wouldn't be HALF of the problem.
And who do you think live in the "hoods," martians?
If yes, then "none of this belongs in this thread."
But if "hoods" are Black, try to figure the rest out pls.
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Why should the US Democrats or any Party be discussed here?
Because it's the essence of American politics.
Start from here pls and try to follow the train of thought.
If you still can't, then it's not my fault.
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Some US cities have more worst hoods then others. Some clean out most of the blight and street-sweepers do clean their streets outside of winters. One city like Chicago does and only one section down a alleyway showed trash. Still most blight it has removed and turned the lots to grass and trees. Too many own nice cars too.
One day in the future they will renew. Might be decades as the US Sunbelt is the growing region today. The US constantly changes. Cities and regions boom and others rise and eventually the abandoned regions renew again. Our cities declined greatly in the 60s 70s into the 80s. Then they began renewal again cores outward. But most never renewed entirely and show where the did not. A under-class has grown sadly.
Well then go ahead and explain it to the Blacks who live in those "hoods" that it's all "temporary" and they can put their lives on hold, until "one day in the future" these hoods "will renew."
And listen to THEM what they have to say about that one, never mind me.
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But still THIS IS ALL THINGS RUSSIA NOT USA..... Russian reps? Well if Russian Bots can bombard the US Social media and more with trashing the less desired to win a political election party and opponent. They surely can have someone view this one. POINT of why the US had become the TOPIC here?
"All things Russia," the way they are running now, the kind of economic system they have over there, is BECAUSE of the US earlier actions/involvement.
Do you keep on missing this part, or do you pretend to not notice it over and over again?
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All negative on the US I expect from some I read in their other post on C-D too and why no other Ghettos and neighborhoods build originally even as slums. Vast majority of US ghettos were not built to be that, but vibrant housing for its Blue Collar working population and Middle-Class and higher. But were abandoned as Racial change came sadly but those who built them.
It's not about "all negative on the US" - it's about the ANALYSIS of what's happening in the US and WHY. ( Jeez.)
So now only Chechens are the major head-ache for Russians as usual, and once the whole bunch of money has been thrown at them, plus Putin negotiated with the local chieftain, and allowed him to run his little Islamic republic as he is pleased, it's more or less quiet at that front. But what if the money in state coffers will run out? Then what?
Not only Chechnya. Dagestan and especially Ingushetia still have problems with international terrorists.
I hope that by that time 2-3 generations will grow up, who will not want to return to the war.
Something to keep in mind is that the democrats are not a true "left" party, of course the concept is pretty vague but in general the "left" is always the oppositional party, and in a capitalist society that oppositional force is the working class who develop socialistic ideologies, whereas the "right" is the party that represents those who are in power which in this case would be the business class (historically under feudal system the business class was on the left as they were the opposition against the nobility who were on the right).
Thank you, I did not think about the meaning of these names before. It seems that the names goes back to the Great French Revolution.
Thank you, I did not think about the meaning of these names before. It seems that the names goes back to the Great French Revolution.
Maxim..
What you quoted (from Grega's post) above is INCORRECT. I already explained why.
That's how a lot of people in Russia ended up with false understanding of the politics in their own country.
Yes it all goes back to the French revolution and the "Age of Enlightenment" that brought forth "left ideas," but they were "left" only in comparison to the monarchists.
So essentially the whole class of the bourgeoisie that came in power after the French revolution ( on the backs of the poor) still represents the "right wing" ideas. The "left" ideas truly come "from the bottom" of the society, with the POOR in mind, even if these ideas are pushed by the upper class ( well some of it representatives. Think Nekrasov, Belinsky, Herzen et al.)
But in post-Soviet Russia I've noticed, the ideology of the "Age of Enlightenment" has been used in order to write the manifest of the "New ideology" as panacea from Communism, skipping the part of history that was YET TO COME after the "Age of Enlightenment." (Which was all about the power of the bourgeoisie.)
How convenient for Chubais, Gaidar et al, - all those "great reformers" better known as "liberasts" in today's Russia. This shrewd ideological deception was THEIR invention, made with the help of American neo-liberals ( Clinton et al.)
And that's how you ended up with the oligarchy and the ultra-right political forces in charge, that passed themselves for the "liberals" with "left ideas" that belong to the "Age of Enlightenment."
And that's why "Capitalism" in Russian Wiki had a totally different, FALSE narrative for long time, comparably to the English version.
Things like "'''Капитали́зм''' — [[экономическая система]] производства и распределения, основанная на [[Частная собственность|частной собственности]], [[Де-юре|юридическом]] равенстве и свободе."
("Capitalism is the economic system of distribution, based on private property and de jure equality and freedom." (Old Russian Wiki version, which is somewhat changed by NOW.)
Where really, in English, plain and simple, it was "Capitalism is an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state" all along.( Noting about "equality and freedom" as you can see.)
But they never told you THAT back then, in the 90ies.
Instead, these thugs were selling you the ideas of the "Age of Enlightenment" from the 18th century, passing them for what "capitalism" is, while plundering the country exclusively for their own profits and leaving people high and dry.
The bright side of it however is that, as much as American NGOs would love to "support the political opposition in Russia" to the *very inconvenient* Putin, their favorite heroes ( Navalny, Kasparov et al,) are all of the "right wing" ideology as well.
Now why would Russians, who are governed by the ultra-right forces already as it is, would like to switch to the alternative "right force," representing foreign interests, is a big question.
Not only Chechnya. Dagestan and especially Ingushetia still have problems with international terrorists.
I hope that by that time 2-3 generations will grow up, who will not want to return to the war.
In Chechya at least, these "future generations" are currently growing up under Islam.
And that's why the "return to war" is always in a picture.
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Thank you, I did not think about the meaning of these names before. It seems that the names goes back to the Great French Revolution.