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It is so indeed. )) And I hope that the guys will like a sports sections (not professional activities, but something for the general development, like soccer or chess), it is also expensive. And God forbid love hockey.))))
Don't you miss good ole Soviet Union, when all this stuff for children was for free?
(Uh, I am sorry - as they like to say here in the US - "it was not for free, it was # "paid with other people's money."
Don't you miss good ole Soviet Union, when all this stuff for children was for free?
(Uh, I am sorry - as they like to say here in the US - "it was not for free, it was # "paid with other people's money."
Oh, I can’t miss the USSR, so I was 6 years old when it broke up. Modern reality is the only one for me. The Soviet Union in the past. Capitalism won and without a counterweight will move very quickly. I read today that 1% of Americans have more money, which is 90% of the rest. And I think this difference will increase worldwide.
Oh, I can’t miss the USSR, so I was 6 years old when it broke up. Modern reality is the only one for me. The Soviet Union in the past. Capitalism won and without a counterweight will move very quickly. I read today that 1% of Americans have more money, which is 90% of the rest. And I think this difference will increase worldwide.
America also has one of the highest wealth inequalities in the world too. The US does a lot of things very well, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have its short comings. Also there isn’t such a thing as a capitalist country, just like there never actually ever was a truly communist one either. It’s more of a sliding spectrum between capitalism and socialism and the various derivative off shoots. The main reason why socialism failed in Russia was because Russia was not ready for it, a society needs to go through capitalism prior to understanding what socialism actually is. USSR abandoned socialism in the very beginning and instead adopted state corporatism. Socialism is about bringing democracy into the work place and giving power to the workers, what happened in Russia they just replaced the feudalist businessmen/oligarchs/barons with bureaucrats meaning the overall structure remained pretty much the same leaving the worker just as powerless as before. Instead in true socialism the workers get together and make those decisions together and pretty much a smaller scale of modern democratic governments in other words a co-op. That is why Russia failed at implementing socialism because Russia never had a rich culture of democracy, instead they had (and still continues to this day) that we will put all the burden on the guy on top, he will fix everything and save us, that kind of thinking goes against the very principle of democracy and in turn socialism.
That being said there are definitely shortcomings to democracy so too socialism will have it’s shortcomings, but no one has actually put that experiment to the test, so I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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Originally Posted by erasure I've already noticed that Russians basically don't see a difference between Putin's regime and the US, since both are "controlled by people with money," and the difference between American Republicans and Democrats looks very blurry from Russia.
Is it not true?
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Originally Posted by erasure (So as you can see the knowledge of history, "Gone with the wind" or "Terminator" don't really give the insight of what America really is and what makes it tick today.)
Of course you're right. But I am not an expert in the political system of the US and I am not at all interested in this. Nevertheless, I am a little aware of the events, so I can quickly figure out what's what if I need it.
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Originally Posted by erasure I already know that Russian propaganda machine carefully avoids any discussion/information about Bernie Sanders.
Because this would have opened the whole can of worms for Putin, since it would have exposed Russian population to the differences between American capitalism vs European capitalism, how Russians have been duped back in the nineties, and how Russian Democrats have been thrown under the bus basically by American Democrats of the corporate variety ( Clintons first of all.)
He lose. Why? Maybe because victory requires not only words, but also a lot of money and a support of the elites?
1. Yes, the line dividing Republicans from Democrats looks very blurry from Russia, ( since both parties operate within the capitalist framework,) however this doesn't mean that American system is no different from Russian authoritarian system with its unchallengeable corruption and nepotism, as much as shrewd Kremlin's propaganda would like to make Russians believe it.
That is not to say that US is free of corruption, but with an operational two-party system it's still controllable, where in Russia such control is out of question.
With that being said, I already underlined many times that no matter how much a lot of intelligent Russians grumble about Putin's regime, it's wise of them to stay calm and accept the situation, keeping in mind the external threat. The majority of Putin's INTERNATIONAL politics are correct, and it can't be any other way, since the survival of his class ( and his survival personally) depends on these policies.
And of course ( looking from inside of the US) the difference between the Republicans and Democrats does exist, except for when we talk about the "corporate part" of Democrats, someone like Clintons
But this is something I'll have to talk about separately, since it's a worthy subject, which is probably at the heart of it all.
2. As I already said, there is a reason why Kremlin's propaganda machine would like to avoid the subject of Bernie Sanders all together.
Because then they would have to acknowledge that the kind of capitalism model that has been enforced on post-Soviet Russia ( i.e. the American model) was the most destructive specifically for Russia, given the choice between American and European models. And Putin's government keeps on promoting and supporting this most toxic version.
Now Bernie Sanders is vouching specifically for European model of capitalism in the US, ( which is far more benign than American model.)
As much as I am a biggest fan of this particular model ( the model of mixed economy,) the way I see it, this would mean the end of America as we know it, the total surrender of any American claims to world domination, the end of American idea being "the nation of immigrants" (as in "Give me your tired, your poor,") and the end of many other things, that were the core of what America essentially was in its very foundation.
As much as this "European version" that Sanders promotes would make many Americans happy, ( particularly the younger generation,) do you think the "American elites" (be that Republicans or Democrats, and particularly Democrats of the "corporate type,") would ever accept it?
Oh, I can’t miss the USSR, so I was 6 years old when it broke up. Modern reality is the only one for me. The Soviet Union in the past. Capitalism won and without a counterweight will move very quickly. I read today that 1% of Americans have more money, which is 90% of the rest. And I think this difference will increase worldwide.
I am aware of that more or less, but as I've mentioned earlier, from what I see this is the aspect of the Soviet culture that Russians seem to miss the most.
And since the younger generation ( that never really lived under Soviet system) keeps on hearing about it from older generation, they start *missing* it too - that's the sentiment.
P.S. Then of course I came across the younger people who tell all kind of fairy tales about the Soviet system - about how "great and free" it was, while never experiencing it for real.
I am aware of that more or less, but as I've mentioned earlier, from what I see this is the aspect of the Soviet culture that Russians seem to miss the most.
And since the younger generation ( that never really lived under Soviet system) keeps on hearing about it from older generation, they start *missing* it too - that's the sentiment.
P.S. Then of course I came across the younger people who tell all kind of fairy tales about the Soviet system - about how "great and free" it was, while never experiencing it for real.
Those drove me nuts I have to say)))
Whether and to what extent Russians actually long for the Soviet era have left me a little confused. Of course, in youtube there are tons of comments under the Soviet Russian songs in the style of 'oh what a great era we lost!', 'the life was a real life back then' and so on. At the same time, of course, Russia is big and in Russian terms it may not show anything yet. Those who don't like Soviet time or who just aren't interested in it probably won't watch or comment on such videos.
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Oh, I can’t miss the USSR, so I was 6 years old when it broke up. Modern reality is the only one for me. The Soviet Union in the past. Capitalism won and without a counterweight will move very quickly.
During the soviet era, when I started reaching the teenager age and understand a little about the adult world I became more critical towards the soviet life. From time to time when we visited our relatives on the other side of Estonia, it was possible to watch television of a capitalist country (Finland) there. Without understanding the language, I was well aware of the colorful commercials that advertised colorful and high-quality Western goods, all that was virtually impossible to obtain in the Soviet system. I remember these ads fascinated me while also created a sense of inferiority a bit.
When capitalism reached here, I began to realize at one time that socialism (or whatever that Soviet system should be called) nevertheless had certain advantages of it's own. Tell me how many people today watch television ads with interest?...
Don't you miss good ole Soviet Union, when all this stuff for children was for free?
(Uh, I am sorry - as they like to say here in the US - "it was not for free, it was # "paid with other people's money."
This is also the case in some neo-capitalist "new" European countries. But the source from where those above mentioned "other people" had received their money is not specified.
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Now Bernie Sanders is vouching specifically for European model of capitalism in the US, ( which is far more benign than American model.)
As much as I am a biggest fan of this particular model ( the model of mixed economy,) the way I see it, this would mean the end of America as we know it, the total surrender of any American claims to world domination, the end of American idea being "the nation of immigrants" (as in "Give me your tired, your poor,") and the end of many other things, that were the core of what America essentially was in its very foundation.
As much as this "European version" that Sanders promotes would make many Americans happy, ( particularly the younger generation,) do you think the "American elites" (be that Republicans or Democrats, and particularly Democrats of the "corporate type,") would ever accept it?
Sanders wouldn't even be considered left wing in Europe. He is to the left of most Democrats, but they are still a fairly right wing party, albeit less so than Republicans. Republicans started posting all kinds of propaganda against him by labeling him a "communist", which is ridiculous.
It wouldn't dramatically change America either, just turn it into a more egalitarian society. The US could still very easily maintain it's status as the most powerful nation with Sanders in the driver's seat.
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