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Old 10-07-2019, 12:27 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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And again, the wrong interpretation, which is imposed on Western society. This is just an excuse. Why kill a chicken laying golden eggs? Why impose sanctions on people who export millions of dollars from their country and investing them in the economy of the West? This is of course nonsense. "He is of course a son of a bi_tch, but he is our son of a bi_tch."
Sanctions are simply a way of unfair competition to eliminate competitors from the global market or a means of political pressure on a certain circle of people to “recruit” them to work for the benefit of Western civilization. What does Almaz-Antey or Kalashnikov or the Minister of the Interior have to do with the oligarchs?
To answer your last question, its all about those who profit under Putin's system. Not necessarily all oligarchs in the traditional sense, but those who profit from their patronage to Putin (by means of his control of the state's resources). You might ask yourself why is the average wage in Russia only half of the GDP per person? If it seems a bit off, that's because you're being looted. Giving the appearance that its because of the West instead of Putin's system stealing half your money is a good way to keep it going.
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Old 10-07-2019, 06:06 PM
 
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Haha yeah. It's just insane to me how they drive and manage to stay alive
I read an article about Russians and driving. The number of traffic related fatalities in 2008 (?) was around 27,000/year. Last year it had dropped to just 18,000.

The article stated that the accident rate overall stayed the roughly same.

Russians aren't driving any better. The cars they're driving are safer. Take what comfort you can from that.
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Old 10-07-2019, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Russia
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To answer your last question, its all about those who profit under Putin's system. Not necessarily all oligarchs in the traditional sense, but those who profit from their patronage to Putin (by means of his control of the state's resources). You might ask yourself why is the average wage in Russia only half of the GDP per person? If it seems a bit off, that's because you're being looted. Giving the appearance that its because of the West instead of Putin's system stealing half your money is a good way to keep it going.
So you yourself and contradict. The action of sanctions on enterprises, by restricting their tangible assets, such as restricting trade with someone, restricting investment or access to credit, affects workers directly. Since the company is under sanctions, due to limited liquidity, it is forced to cut expenses on the social needs of workers, including salaries. And of course, in this case, the discontent of the population is growing. This is the main goal of sanctions, to create a social explosion. So that the angry people go and overthrow Putin, right?

And why did America has become so concerned about the population of Russia? It seems that all US senators simply can’t sleep at the mere thought that somewhere in Bryansk or in Perm a worker does not receive a salary like in New York .. And Putin takes away his last crumbs ..

I’m not saying that everything is beautiful and wonderful, and much of what you are talking about takes place .. But this is our internal affair, and we will somehow deal with our oligarchs. And let the United States better deal with its own problems ..

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Old 10-08-2019, 11:10 AM
DKM
 
Location: California
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Its impossible to target Putin connected Oligarchs without also harming those who work for and with them. It was never about making the regular people overthrow anybody. Its about pressuring Putin's true allies inside Russia and making them pay for his misdeeds. If you weren't attacking Ukraine, few in America would care about how much money is stolen from Russians by their oligarchs. Just like we didn't care prior to 2014... Not saying we didn't care at all, but the vast majority didn't spend much time thinking much about it. Magnitsky Act is an exception...
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Old 10-08-2019, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Its impossible to target Putin connected Oligarchs without also harming those who work for and with them. It was never about making the regular people overthrow anybody. Its about pressuring Putin's true allies inside Russia and making them pay for his misdeeds. If you weren't attacking Ukraine, few in America would care about how much money is stolen from Russians by their oligarchs. Just like we didn't care prior to 2014... Not saying we didn't care at all, but the vast majority didn't spend much time thinking much about it. Magnitsky Act is an exception...
Oh, stop playing this hackneyed record already. Nobody but you already believes in this. It’s just that America wanted to build a“democratic” base in Crimea and expel Russians from there, but Putin, the treacherous tyrant, cruelly deceived and “aggressively and not democratically” returned Crimea to Russia and America was greatly offended.
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Old 10-09-2019, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Tomsk, Russian Federation
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Oh, stop playing this hackneyed record already. Nobody but you already believes in this. It’s just that America wanted to build a“democratic” base in Crimea and expel Russians from there, but Putin, the treacherous tyrant, cruelly deceived and “aggressively and not democratically” returned Crimea to Russia and America was greatly offended.
So are you glad Russia is taking Crimea back? I have no opinion either way, simple curiosity
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Old 10-09-2019, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Russia
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So are you glad Russia is taking Crimea back? I have no opinion either way, simple curiosity
Yes, I approve of it. Russia simply took own gift back if it was no longer needed.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:56 AM
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Location: California
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You're right, its all a fake scheme. When we tell Russia the sanctions will be relieved when they stop fighting in Ukraine, its all a lie. We don't really care...All we want is Russia on her knees like in the 90s!

Did I get that all correct?
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:49 PM
 
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You're right, its all a fake scheme. When we tell Russia the sanctions will be relieved when they stop fighting in Ukraine, its all a lie. We don't really care...All we want is Russia on her knees like in the 90s!

Did I get that all correct?
No. Russia is not in Ukraine. There's also the matter of the objective of many in the west, the destruction of Russia in it's current form as a nation.

You seldom get anything right. Keep trying though, even a broken closk tells the right time once a day.

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Old 10-09-2019, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Tomsk, Russian Federation
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Yes, I approve of it. Russia simply took own gift back if it was no longer needed.
I've heard some Ukrainian people even want to be a part of Russia again.

Did Russia start issuing passports to people in the Crimea?
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