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A source!? What on god's green and verdant frickin' earth is this moronic nonsense? What is this person's opinion on a message board a thesis for their ph-frickin-d? Is this a scientific study being submitted to the New England Journal of Internal Medicine? Ugh, god I hate it when people try to pull this kind of pretentious f***ing nonsense....
Tell you what, when we get the results on the fully randomized, double blind study done at the prestigious scientific labs of the University of Completely Useless and Meaningless Pseudo-Scientific Studies, we'll make sure your the first to know what the results are....
To me, "natural" is natural-looking, minimal in artificial components, and basically permanent. (No, contacts aren't "natural," and I personally had vision correction surgery to get away from that.) I don't know how other men define "natural."
That's silly. I'll stick with my unnatural contacts since vision correction surgery for me is basically cataract surgery. And a lot more risky and invasive than my contacts.
I've said nothing about breast implants and am opposed to that in some cases.
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Once we accept how people look as they are, it'll be easier to
convince women to wear less makeup. That means accepting women with short
eyelashes, low cheekbones, under eye circles, larger noses, and thinner
lips.
That's partly fantasizing, because under-eye circles, larger noses, and thinner lips probably are fundamentally unattractive in women (and, in many cases, in men), regardless of culture. Not that they necessarily prevent a woman from being facially attractive to many men, but often they do.
Once we come up with easy, affordable permanent fixes for most significant cosmetic problems, makeup's popularity will wane. Some would say improved skin treatments already are denting its popularity, though I don't know if that can be proven. But go-natural peer pressure (especially with education about the potential long-term negative health, environmental, and financial costs) could reduce some makeup usage even without more fixes, because for one thing, some women wear more makeup than they need to look attractive (re cheekbones and eyes, for example).
I like my makeup. The ingredients are natural and good for my skin. As good as any moisturizer. It also looks natural when on. I don't see the problem with it. Plastic surgery on the other hand.... Never!
Plastic surgery is taking a risk with your life & health for vanity purposes - no thanks!
What other people do is their business, but I would never mutilate my body to meet trendy beauty ideals.
So-called "flaws" are often just differences in people that are not the popular ideal, which will change within our lifetime.
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Since when is it a guy's business how a woman chooses to spend her time and money?
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I don't think you understand men at all, porn is about fantasy and it's not about reality. Porn look is what some men fantasizes about and it's not reality. Most guys do not like fake breasts and fake lips but some enjoy seeing those women with exaggerated body parts for fantasy.
This is not what those loud ones communicate when they discuss women. If men want to be understood, then they need to communicate better.
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That's called male-bonding, these are things that men poke fun about women. Just like women who poke fun about men.
Women on the whole don't do this. In the company of female friends, we do not constantly nitpick men's bodies nor their personalities. The dialogue is not degrading or even critical. More significantly, we speak of men as whole people, not sex objects to be rated by body parts.
This habit of men gives the sense that this is how they view women. If you want to be understood, then try being more consistent. Otherwise, it just looks like lying to appease women while really having degrading views of them.
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Again, I think you got it wrong, men's beauty standards are much lesser than the demands women have of men. How many guys expect their women to be a size 4-5 and have DD size chest. While most women are much more demanding of men, such as height, income levels, drive fancy cars, and most expects the men to pay for dinner on every date etc.
All of those loud ones I spoke of before seem to expect that sort of thing.
I don't know women who have all of the expectations you speak of. That sounds like paranoid internet myth now.
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Women claims they put on make up to make them happy or confident. The effects is that it makes them beautiful and attracts attention which in effect is to make others notice. It's the same as guys who hook up their cars to get attention. The end result is the same to make others notice and increase one's self confidence.
WRONG. You conveniently disregarded my paragraphs discussing makeup as creative expression & a fun process, something even done when not going into public at all, being seen by NO ONE but yourself. Women post photos online for each other because they appreciate the creativity.
Many men don't "hook up" their cars for attention. They do so because they enjoy the process of working on the car & making it meet their vision. Viewing the world through the lens of status is your perspective, not everyone else's.
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I'll be honest and tell you women should do less with their face because if I go out with you on the 1st date and I don't see any acne because of your makeup, then one day you forgot to cover it or the acne breakout happens then it will get my attention because it's a big difference.
I went on dates with women who have acne issues, i can see rough looking acne skin covered by makeup. I won't make a big deal about it. What does bother me is on a date during the day time when the makeup doesn't work under bright sunny day that's when the acne issue takes center stage.
So it's best to let the acne go so I can get used to seeing it. Men are very good at see contrasts so it's best not to have such contrasting looks.
I don't exist for men. I don't dress or wear makeup or do anything with the sole or even main purpose of attracting men. I am a whole, complex human being who exists outside of any relation to a man. I have my own tastes, desires & drives. What I wear is about my personal, creative vision.
I don't wear makeup to look better in terms of social beauty ideals - I wear it because it's expressive of my inner person, whereas what genetics gave me says nothing about me as a personality. The skin makeup creates a better canvas than a bare face.
Acne can be fleeting. It can be here one day & not come back for awhile. The makeup creates a consistency & minimizes temporary distractions to the rest of your appearance. Makeup is a choice, a breakout is not. I want the control, and I prefer the consistency which means it makes me look like me when I am not broken out, which is a good portion of the time. No ex of mine was ever shocked when he saw me without makeup.
To me it's no different than clothes. Flattering clothing can obscure some flaws, but generally your size & shape is apparent unless the style is rather extreme. That doesn't mean you're hiding anything; it means you're groomed to go into public.
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Most men are very understanding and forgiving of women when it comes to imperfections. If a man criticizes those imperfections then he's not worth your time.
He's not worth my time if he can't grasp that makeup is FUN and something I do for ME.
I already noted that many men are probably not like those loud ones anyway, but they create an impression, one that they are speaking for most men (what you're doing also). This makes men look like they don't know what they really want.
Psst, when men complain about makeup, they seldom mean red lipstick.
Anyway, be real: makeup is mostly for social-sexual status (including the self-esteem component). Creativity/artistry is a minor factor for most, albeit more common on niches of the Internet.
Also, makeup application doesn't necessarily hide acne well, and makeup certainly isn't good for acne. Someone needs to tell Lorde that.
Can we please stop with the idea that makeup is completely harmless to health? Beyond the acne example, there are questionable chemicals in most makeup, makeup can become contaminated, and sleeping in even the natural kind is terrible for skin.
Makeup can be harmful but so can any product that person puts on their skin. It's kind of ridiculous to single out makeup as being an unhealthy product.
That reminds me - some natural ingredients can cause allergic reactions.
Makeup gets lots of negativity about its health effects because it is not meant to boost or protect health and because it probably is more dangerous than any category of therapeutic skin products, except maybe topical steroids. That's why Dr. Oz and other media sources occasionally do stories about the dangers of makeup.
That reminds me - some natural ingredients can cause allergic reactions.
Makeup gets lots of negativity about its health effects because it is not meant to boost or protect health and because it probably is more dangerous than any category of therapeutic skin products, except maybe topical steroids. That's why Dr. Oz and other media sources occasionally do stories about the dangers of makeup.
I've seen moisturizers, deodorants, shampoos, body washes, etc. with much more toxic ingredients then any of the ingredients found in my above post. You are really reaching here. Deodorant is not designed to boost health. Do you use it? Same for shampoo and lotion.
And duh, if someone is allergic to a certain ingredient then obviously they should not use products that contain ingredients.
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