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I pass no judgement towards people in poverty. Most of them try their very best to get ahead, and to make their communities livable. But crime is absolutely not the only factor that makes poorer neighborhoods often less desirable and less pleasant. There's many factors, from built environment to social outcomes other than crime.
It’s rather universal that shootings and carjackings suck much worse than an unkept lawn.
Places like Chelsea only have the latter, large swaths of Philly have both.
It’s just true people don’t visit bad neighborhoods and most “underrated” cities have really bad bad neighborhoods. Thus people’s impression upon visiting Philly, Cleveland or Chicago can actually be just as in representative of the city than stereotypes.
New York gets unfairly maligned for being dangerous, Philly does not. The fact there are a handful of wonderful core neighborhoods everyone visits does not make the city as a whole fantastic
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It’s rather universal that shootings and carjackings suck much worse than an unkept lawn.
Places like Chelsea only have the latter, large swaths of Philly have both.
It’s just true people don’t visit bad neighborhoods and most “underrated” cities have really bad bad neighborhoods. Thus people’s impression upon visiting Philly, Cleveland or Chicago can actually be just as in representative of the city than stereotypes.
New York gets unfairly maligned for being dangerous, Philly does not. The fact there are a handful of wonderful core neighborhoods everyone visits does not make the city as a whole fantastic
Really?
5 people were shot last night in Boston, and 2 weeks prior, 8 people were shot, so by your logic, Downtown Boston is not reflective of the entire city that has seen 2 mass shootings in less than a month. This myth you're creating about Boston as a bastion of civility without any flaws is laughable considering it would be seen as dangerous and dingy by someone from Helsinki or most Western European cities.
After being corrected multiple times, you're still equating urbanity with desirability for some reason. A neighborhood's socioeconomic status does not negate its urban characteristics and bones.
This block is reflective of the urbanity of Philadelphia: several locally owned businesses, an urban park, and within walking distance of public transportation. Whether or not you would walk there is not the question at hand. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9868...8192?entry=ttu
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5 people were shot last night in Boston, and 2 weeks prior, 8 people were shot, so by your logic, Downtown Boston is not reflective of the entire city that has seen 2 mass shootings in less than a month. This myth you're creating about Boston as a bastion of civility without any flaws is laughable considering it would be seen as dangerous and dingy by someone from Helsinki or most Western European cities.
Yeah Boston has its issues but it’s not close to the level of Philly. Philly has more homicides than New England.
Inside 128 has like 31 homicides this year. Philly has 305. Literally an order of magnitude worse.
However when walking around Old City and the North End or walnut Street and Newbury street you get similar experiences. Similar the seediness of DTX/Chinatown/Theatre District is fairly representative of the quality of the city But the cities aren’t actually similar
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5 people were shot last night in Boston, and 2 weeks prior, 8 people were shot, so by your logic, Downtown Boston is not reflective of the entire city that has seen 2 mass shootings in less than a month. This myth you're creating about Boston as a bastion of civility without any flaws is laughable considering it would be seen as dangerous and dingy by someone from Helsinki or most Western European cities.
After being corrected multiple times, you're still equating urbanity with desirability for some reason. A neighborhood's socioeconomic status does not negate its urban characteristics and bones.
This block is reflective of the urbanity of Philadelphia: several locally owned businesses, an urban park, and within walking distance of public transportation. Whether or not you would walk there is not the question at hand. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9868...8192?entry=ttu
Just for the record, 8 people were shot and killed in Philly this weekend. Boaton had a bad weekend, yea, but almost always Philadelphia has it way worse. The two cities are more similar than they are different…. But as someone who has lived oversees for an extended period of time, crime wise, Boston is closer to a London or Paris than Philly.
Id even argue London/Paris is even closer to Philly than Helsinki in that regard to.
New York gets unfairly maligned for being dangerous, Philly does not.
I know you refuse to acknowledge that crime is not evenly dispersed throughout any city, but that's 100% the reality.
And acknowledging this fact doesn't equate to dismissing crime as an important issue. However, the caricature of everyone dodging bullets every day in every neighborhood is beyond disingenuous. Once again, the vast, vast majority of urban violence crime isn't random.
Gang activity, domestic violence, and disputes that result from both parties not knowing when to de-escalate a situation is when 99% of violence occurs. Also, gun proliferation is absolutely a factor. It's not rocket science.
I don't know why that's so difficult for some to admit.
Just for the record, 8 people were shot and killed in Philly this weekend. Boaton had a bad weekend, yea, but almost always Philadelphia has it way worse.
Philly did have a particularly rough weekend, but the longer-term view is always more critical. Thankfully, 2023 is shaping up to be a much better year than last (as in many cities). But obviously there's a long way to go for sustained, multi-year decline.
This block is reflective of the urbanity of Philadelphia: several locally owned businesses, an urban park, and within walking distance of public transportation. Whether or not you would walk there is not the question at hand. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9868...8192?entry=ttu
Yep. The vernacular/density of Philly stays very consistent pretty far out from the Center City core. The social conditions are the biggest dramatic change.
I know you refuse to acknowledge that crime is not evenly dispersed throughout any city, but that's 100% the reality.
And acknowledging this fact doesn't equate to dismissing crime as an important issue. However, the caricature of everyone dodging bullets every day in every neighborhood is beyond disingenuous. Once again, the vast, vast majority of urban violence crime isn't random.
Gang activity, domestic violence, and disputes that result from both parties not knowing when to de-escalate a situation is when 99% of violence occurs. Also, gun proliferation is absolutely a factor. It's not rocket science.
I don't know why that's so difficult for some to admit.
Did you actually read a single thing a write before reflexively defending Philly? I am quite literally saying the opposite. The nice neighborhoods in Chicago/Philly are very comparable to the nice neighborhoods in Boston/NY people only visit/go to those nice neighborhoods so have the impression the cities are similar. But the bad neighborhoods in Boston/NY really aren’t comparable to those in Philly/Chicago. This Boston/NY deserve a better reputation than Philly/Chicago because the cities aren’t the same.
Philly isn’t underrated it’s just that visitors get the false impression it’s just like Boston when it isn’t it has real and truly deeper seeded issues across many of its neighborhoods visitors just don’t go to.
I’d go as far to say places like Chelsea that are trashed in Greater Boston discourse would be held in at least decent esteem in greater Philly.
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Philadelphia is typically one of the first cities on this forum to be foisted above the others as an example of a "real urban city." I don't think it could be called underrated in that regard. Maybe underrated as a general destination to live. As far as cities that have been typecast as suburban by the eastern establishment that really aren't-
1. Los Angeles
2. San Diego
3. Houston
4. San Jose
5. Phoenix
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