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I believe its impossible to separate humans from religion,just like it is impossible to separate us from creating music.atheists have for decades said if only there wasnt any religion, we would be better of, but look at the soviet union they got rid of religion and were they any better???
You're probably right. I'm not thinking of the complete absence of religion but rather less dependence on it. When legislation, healthcare, or civil rights are affected it dilutes the original intention.
Fun to debate, impossible to determine. Way too many other variables involved, and we're not capable of running a regression analysis on...all of life (lol), controlling only for religion and nothing else. Hence my "staunch but not militant atheist" self-identification.
It definitely will be better off without religion. Religion should not define how people should be .
LOL.
You probably don't know that religion provided the majority of early hospitals and is now still responsible for the majority of soup kitchens, food pantries, homeless shelters, etc.
You probably don't know that religion provided the majority of early hospitals and is now still responsible for the majority of soup kitchens, food pantries, homeless shelters, etc.
Think about all the bad things. It's kind of a wash.
You probably don't know that religion provided the majority of early hospitals and is now still responsible for the majority of soup kitchens, food pantries, homeless shelters, etc.
Why is believing in fairy tales, superstitions & imaginary super beings required to do this?
All of this could be accomplished without lies, fairy tales and superstition. It's also a great example of delusional religious thinking. We need to worship this god who did nothing to prevent this horrible tragedy and beg her (or him or it) not to do it again. Wow! If that isn't nuts I don't know what is.
The people aren't going to turn away from God because of the disaster because they already know that the world is imperfect as it is due to the sins of Adam and Eve. God is helping those faithful ones through those various treacheries, and he promises, in the end, a world even more ideal than the Garden of Eden. And the people see that.
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It's just an extra income source for doctors who concoct studies "proving" it's necessity.
And its true; there are many scientifically proven benefits of circumcision. As stated before, thousands of the procedures are done every day, and the vast majority result in no injuries.
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As was Mao's China and Kim's N. Korea. Then you have the barbaric Muslim theocracies in the middle east. It has more to do with humanity's barbaric nature than religion. But at least Christians aren't burning women for being witches or heretics who claim the the Sun doesn't revolve around the earth. You can dance around it all you want; bottom line: religion is a source of ignorance, fairy tales, lies, superstition and mindless rituals.
And humans do have a barbaric nature.... it is the nature of humans without the light of God. But by following the light of God, objective order is established, and there is actually a drive for perfection. Yes, some of those who are of God can commit acts of sin... if they turn against God's Word and follow Satan;'s temptation. Atheists never can understand the true Word of God because they are of the spiritually-blind, and thus they can only see religion as "ignorance, fairy-tales, lies, superstition, and mindless rituals."
Think about all the bad things. It's kind of a wash.
What bad things specifically?
Don't tell me your one of those people who actually believe the Crusades was about religion? The Crusades were about trade routes and empire building which used religion as a way to get the poor to participate.
King, "I want to increase my holdings and tax other lands. Join my army."
King, "These barbarians are trying to destroy our religious heritage and desecrate our holiest sites. They want to force you to defy your God and worship their false prophet. Join my army to stop them."
Which sells better?
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Why is believing in fairy tales, superstitions & imaginary super beings required to do this?
Why didn't those not believing in fairy tales and superstitions build these things?
Don't tell me your one of those people who actually believe the Crusades was about religion? The Crusades were about trade routes and empire building which used religion as a way to get the poor to participate.
King, "I want to increase my holdings and tax other lands. Join my army."
King, "These barbarians are trying to destroy our religious heritage and desecrate our holiest sites. They want to force you to defy your God and worship their false prophet. Join my army to stop them."
Which sells better?
Why didn't those not believing in fairy tales and superstitions build these things?
Interesting. So you think The Crusades, The Dark Ages, and The Inquisition were just non-believers manipulating religious people who were obviously rather naive, or whose faith led them to do things their faith condemns?
As for homeless shelters and soup kitchens - about a third are faith based. Religious organizations contribute a much larger share of food programs, while secular programs provide a larger share of housing and health care. Oddly enough, faith based programs are much more likely to serve single homeless men, while secular programs serve families and women with children.
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