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Old 12-27-2013, 04:34 PM
 
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What religion are we referring to here? Western religion? Sure. It really depends on what one means by "religion."
Lets go with this part of the definition in the World Dictionary:
1. belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny 2. any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion 3. the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers

 
Old 12-27-2013, 04:43 PM
 
Location: The point of no return, er, NorCal
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Lets go with this part of the definition in the World Dictionary:
1. belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny 2. any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion 3. the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
So, revelations of truth? That certainly includes Western religion.
 
Old 12-27-2013, 04:52 PM
 
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So, revelations of truth? That certainly includes Western religion.
Revelations of truth? Where are you going with this? I'm sure you have an opinion. Lets have it.
 
Old 12-27-2013, 05:39 PM
 
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Do you mean "organized religion"?

For starters, I don't think we will ever get rid of religion. It is intrinsic to our nature as human beings. Being self-aware animals with the capacity to think, we will always wonder how we got here, why we are here, what is our purpose. That will never go away.

That being said, organized religions have been a mixed bag. They often place an intermediary between indivudals and God. They are often used for political purposes to control people and secure power and wealth. And they are used to justify wars.

On the other hand, they do provide people with purpose, meaning, and community. They can also foster kindness and compassion towards others.

In my book, anytime religion divides people it fails. If it unites us all it succeeds.
 
Old 12-27-2013, 05:49 PM
 
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There's no problem with religion. The problem is with man. Laws are made to protect MAN from himself.
 
Old 12-27-2013, 06:12 PM
 
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There's no problem with religion. The problem is with man. Laws are made to protect MAN from himself.
What's the difference? most of the Commandments have civil law counterparts. The punishments and rewards are quite a bit different though...
 
Old 12-27-2013, 06:17 PM
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Do you mean "organized religion"?

For starters, I don't think we will ever get rid of religion. It is intrinsic to our nature as human beings. Being self-aware animals with the capacity to think, we will always wonder how we got here, why we are here, what is our purpose. That will never go away.

That being said, organized religions have been a mixed bag. They often place an intermediary between indivudals and God. They are often used for political purposes to control people and secure power and wealth. And they are used to justify wars.

On the other hand, they do provide people with purpose, meaning, and community. They can also foster kindness and compassion towards others.

In my book, anytime religion divides people it fails. If it unites us all it succeeds.
Organized, disorganized it's all the same.

Questioning our origins is absolutely fine. Religion does not do that. Religion answers the question with no supporting evidence.
Science questions our origins and seeks to answer it with evidence. The evidence points to evolution through natural selection kicked off by abiogenesis. If this were to be disproved science would move on and follow the evidence.

Religion says "We know god did it" and ignores any contrary evidence.

We have sent man into space and photographed the planet. We have numerous systems of satellites in geosynchronous orbit for gps, communications, spying, etc and we still have people, to this day, believing that the world is flat.
The absolute certainty in religious belief that blocks contradictory knowledge is a huge problem.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/flat-earth-society-psychology_n_2038198.html
 
Old 12-27-2013, 06:22 PM
 
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Yes!!!!
 
Old 12-27-2013, 07:16 PM
 
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I think it may be rough going at first, but would be better in the long run.
Not possible
Science explains what we see, hear, feel, etc, etc. and one of the basis of science is the equation m1=m2 (mass cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed)

Science doesn't explain how our body (dust and water) can process thoughts, feelings and then die.
 
Old 12-27-2013, 07:35 PM
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Science doesn't explain how our body (dust and water) can process thoughts, feelings and then die.

Really? The Journal of Neuroscience

Also what you're proposing is called the god of the gaps fallacy.
X can't explain Y therefore god must have done it.

Why it's wrong is, just because something is inexplicable, doesn't mean god did it.
Thunder and lightning were attributed to god(s) for a long time, science came along and figured it out. Turns out, it wasn't god. Logical fallacies, just don't use them.
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