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Old 06-09-2015, 09:28 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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All of the ill effects of marijuana not caused by inhaling smoke and burning particulates are greatly exaggerated and under researched. Until there is rock solid evidence of marijuana having common, dangerous health risks that rise to the level of government intervention the idea of continued prohibition is absurd. It's less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco but it's the only one outlawed between the three. We know tobacco is dangerous to it's users and those around them but it's legal. We know alcohol is dangerous to it's users and those around them but it's legal. Why should marijuana be illegal? To continue the attack on hemp that was started, long before any of us were even born, to aid the lumber industry?
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Old 06-09-2015, 09:53 PM
 
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I hear all the time that its not bad for you and you cant get any diseases or anything. But i want to hear any negative input on the subject. Or positive
"Negative" is a relative description. I'm of the opinion that almost everything has a negative AND a positive aspect to it. From religion to pot to sleeping medications to Nyquil to Tylenol to exercise.

Smoking pot damages the lungs. But pot can be ingested or even in a pill, now
Pot eases stress and depression, IMO. It's relaxing. No doubt about it.
Pot helps you sleep.
Too much pot makes you lazy (like too much booze)
They say that pot eases pain.
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Old 06-09-2015, 10:04 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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It's a proven fact that marijuana can reduce all types of pain. That's part of the reason why it's so effective for chemo patients. It helps with almost every side effect, including pain.
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Old 06-09-2015, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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When you get to be my age, you start to realize that people who used that substance became frozen in time. They stayed stuck in whatever era they were in, when they began smoking it. Same music. Same clothes. Same vocabulary. Apparently, a person's ability to learn and grow becomes stunted. After all, it IS described as being a STUPEFYING DRUG.

And I've seen occasional limited use turn wonderful people, over decades, into insufferable creeps. Marijuana Psychosis is creeping/insidious/subtle. Like sun damage, it is apparently cumulative, degenerative, and irreversible. Little bits, over time add up.

While under the influence, people think they're witty and brilliant and charming and "mellow". They are NOT. They're jerks. They're STUPID jerks.

These are things I've personally observed. But there is also a whole body of scientific research on the subject.

And if you look at all sorts of crimes, from spectacular auto accidents
(Emotional sentencing brings Michael case to a close | www.ajc.com) to school shootings (Dylan Klebold | Did Eric & Dylan smoke weed? If so, was there...), that drug seems to be in the life-histories of an enormous number of the perpetrators. People are running around, saying "Why, WHY?" But mostly, the answer is drug use. And MJ is generally the drug. People do stupid things, when they use stupefying drugs.

Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle


Your description of people who use MJ Is from "Reefer Madness", Dragnet, Adam 12 and any other crazy crime sitcom or propaganda pieces. Stuck in time? Really?

This is pretty crazy.
And I've seen occasional limited use turn wonderful people, over decades, into insufferable creeps. Marijuana Psychosis is creeping/insidious/subtle. Like sun damage, it is apparently cumulative, degenerative, and irreversible. Little bits, over time add up.

Substitute tobacco for MJ; would the events in the last paragraph still have occurred?
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Old 06-09-2015, 11:15 PM
 
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This is going to sound like fantasy world propaganda...but I don't care, it's 100% true. I know someone who used to be outgoing and the life of the party. He had a great job, great luck with the ladies, and was living the dream. He smoked a lot, even told me the day I met him that he never left the house without hitting the bong. No big deal, I thought, if that's what makes him get through the day. One simply couldn't argue with how cool he was.

Ten years later, now 40, he lives his life like a scared little chipmunk, with about as many human friends. He can't get out of bed without getting high as a kite first. FedEx guy knocking at the door? Where's that pipe???!!! Parents bugging him about making it over for Thanksgiving this year? Why won't my guy call me back!??!!! The good jobs, girlfriends, and social life are all long gone. Even his family had to cut ties with him. He used to manage money at Charles Schwab. Now I wouldn't trust him with a dollar to buy me a Pepsi. Keep in mind he's not an alcoholic, junkie nor into any other drug. For this reason alone, I cannot endorse the use of marijuana.

In moderation I'm sure it's fine, but too much of this drug absolutely, positively is bad for you, and addicting. Yes addicting. I'll say it again, addicting. Just like too much sex, porn, gambling, or video gaming can be addicting and mess up your life, so can too much weed.
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Old 06-09-2015, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Moscow
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This is going to sound like fantasy world propaganda...but I don't care, it's 100% true. I know someone who used to be outgoing and the life of the party. He had a great job, great luck with the ladies, and was living the dream. He smoked a lot, even told me the day I met him that he never left the house without hitting the bong. No big deal, I thought, if that's what makes him get through the day. One simply couldn't argue with how cool he was.

Ten years later, now 40, he lives his life like a scared little chipmunk, with about as many human friends. He can't get out of bed without getting high as a kite first. FedEx guy knocking at the door? Where's that pipe???!!! Parents bugging him about making it over for Thanksgiving this year? Why won't my guy call me back!??!!! The good jobs, girlfriends, and social life are all long gone. Even his family had to cut ties with him. He used to manage money at Charles Schwab. Now I wouldn't trust him with a dollar to buy me a Pepsi. Keep in mind he's not an alcoholic, junkie nor into any other drug. For this reason alone, I cannot endorse the use of marijuana.

In moderation I'm sure it's fine, but too much of this drug absolutely, positively is bad for you, and addicting. Yes addicting. I'll say it again, addicting. Just like too much sex, porn, gambling, or video gaming can be addicting and mess up your life, so can too much weed.

Is marijuana addictive? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)

Is marijuana addictive?

Yes. Over time, overstimulation of the endocannabinoid system by marijuana use can cause changes in the brain that lead to addiction, a condition in which a person cannot stop using a drug even though it interferes with many aspects of his or her life. It is estimated that 9 percent of people who use marijuana will become dependent on it.[SIZE=2]10[/SIZE][SIZE=2],[/SIZE][SIZE=2]11[/SIZE] The number goes up to about 17 percent in those who start using young (in their teens) and to 25 to 50 percent among daily users.[SIZE=2]12[/SIZE][SIZE=2],[/SIZE][SIZE=2]13[/SIZE] According to the 2013 NSDUH, marijuana accounted for 4.2 million of the estimated 6.9 million Americans dependent on or abusing illicit drugs.[SIZE=2]3[/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE]
Marijuana addiction is linked to a mild withdrawal syndrome. Frequent marijuana users often report irritability, mood and sleep difficulties, decreased appetite, cravings, restlessness, and/or various forms of physical discomfort that peak within the first week after quitting and last up to 2 weeks.
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Old 06-09-2015, 11:38 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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This is going to sound like fantasy world propaganda...but I don't care, it's 100% true. I know someone who used to be outgoing and the life of the party. He had a great job, great luck with the ladies, and was living the dream. He smoked a lot, even told me the day I met him that he never left the house without hitting the bong. No big deal, I thought, if that's what makes him get through the day. One simply couldn't argue with how cool he was.
Ten years later, now 40, he lives his life like a scared little chipmunk, with about as many human friends. He can't get out of bed without getting high as a kite first. FedEx guy knocking at the door? Where's that pipe???!!! Parents bugging him about making it over for Thanksgiving this year? Why won't my guy call me back!??!!! The good jobs, girlfriends, and social life are all long gone. Even his family had to cut ties with him. He used to manage money at Charles Schwab. Now I wouldn't trust him with a dollar to buy me a Pepsi. Keep in mind he's not an alcoholic, junkie nor into any other drug. For this reason alone, I cannot endorse the use of marijuana.
In moderation I'm sure it's fine, but too much of this drug absolutely, positively is bad for you, and addicting. Yes addicting. I'll say it again, addicting. Just like too much sex, porn, gambling, or video gaming can be addicting and mess up your life, so can too much weed.


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Is marijuana addictive? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)

Is marijuana addictive?

Yes. Over time, overstimulation of the endocannabinoid system by marijuana use can cause changes in the brain that lead to addiction, a condition in which a person cannot stop using a drug even though it interferes with many aspects of his or her life. It is estimated that 9 percent of people who use marijuana will become dependent on it.
Are you telling me the government, after decades of a failed war on drugs and labeling marijuana as more dangerous than meth and cocaine, says marijuana is addictive is dangerous?! Shocking!
No independent research has ever found marijuana to be inherently, chemically addictive. Anything can be addictive to a person with addiction problems. Should we outlaw the internet or video games because people get addicted to them while still allowing alcohol and tobacco, which are chemically addictive, to be legal?
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Old 06-09-2015, 11:51 PM
 
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There are maybe around 100 studies saying it does not cause cancer, or any other fatal conditions. It was a theory that it caused cancer, because of tar. But at least 8 things in the plant are anti-cancer. Also, cannabis is almost always grown organically. Most tobacco & most food has been treated with things that cause cancer. Also, it does not cause COPD. A man in the Compassionate Use Program the US had in 1970s is still getting 300 joints a month from the govt. Couple years back, his lung function was 103% of normal. I see many on internet saying daily or frequent user 40+ years & no major health problems.

Some people have used cannabis to quit tobacco, and/or to quit or reduce alcohol use. There is a list of studies at medicalmarijuanadoctors.org/ The study titles and URLs are about 800 pages. Many of the studies contain false or misleading statements, as researchers for govt had to do. Best wishes.


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I work in the field of substance use disorders. Mj is known to reduce iq in regular youth users by up to 10%. It increases some cancer risks. It is a gateway drug (as are alc. And tobacco). Smoking it is very bad for the lungs. While not physically addicting, some users do develop a psychological addiction.

I believe it should be legalized, regulated, taxed, and treated as a public health issue. Just like tobacco and alcohol.
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:00 AM
 
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Should we outlaw the internet or video games because people get addicted to them while still allowing alcohol and tobacco, which are chemically addictive, to be legal?
I never said anything about outlawing it. I'm telling you that I've seen all the evidence I need to prove that it can be a life-ruining habit. Some might be ok, but more is not better.
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:04 AM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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I never said anything about outlawing it. I'm telling you that I've seen all the evidence I need to prove that it can be a life-ruining habit. Some might be ok, but more is not better.
One instance of anecdotal and clearly exaggerated "evidence" is plenty for you? I think it's safe to assume you have no background in science.
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