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Neither do I, but the argument of supplements being equal or superior to pharmaceuticals is pretty presumptuous without providing equal scientific evidence, don't you think? Of course health is an individual choice and everyone should take what he or she thinks is best for him but this crusade against pharmaceutical companies in this thread is ridiculous to say the least. Do what you think is best for you but don't try to portray your ignorance as facts that you shove down other people's throats(not referring to you ).There is no hidden agenda to make people sick, they don't deliberately produce drugs with side effects so they can be treated with another drug.
They want to make money. Boo hoo. So does every other company in the fricking world, including the supplement-makers.
Yeah, I don't think it's a matter of being superior, but in conjunction with and preventive as the OP is doing. No doubt with all the experts on evil pharma.
I don't particularly care what you choose to do to maintain your health but NO doctor can take a patient off "desiccated support" without their consent.
When my doctor/s tell me they are going to add/change a medication, I ask why. I make them tell me the benefits of something new. Just as I did with the Eliquis. I had no reason to believe that it would react negatively until it did. And I knew enough to contact the doctor immediately to resolve the unwanted side effects.
If your friend just did what good little sheepie do, then she isn't advocating for herself.
I'm a big girl and I'm able to decide what it is I want to do without you or anyone else deciding that I don't research or that I just worship at the feet of doctors. 'taint so and while you claim others harass you for your stand on alternative treatment, you do the same to people who don't agree with you.
I find it telling that two friends big into herbals/supplements came down with a-fib. Hmmmm. Is it possible that they would have developed a-fib no matter what they took, if they even took nothing?
No she listened to the Kaiser docs who it seems don't work with desiccated support which would be a MAJOR reason not to go with them FOR ME. She's dealing with heart stuff and has to trust Kaiser for the most part as she's into them now. I continue to find it hard to understand her choice, but she did it for some reason. She taught me so much over all the 25 yrs I've known her. Personally, I can't see myself in an HMO as I believe in integrative medicine = alternative/holistic healing and these HMO's are strictly allopathic.
Too MANY closed minds.
As I said they probably were not taking years of magnesium and I have for a lot of years, been studying that mineral for a long time. We took a lot of things together but not identical all the time.
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As I said they probably were not taking years of magnesium and I have for a lot of years, been studying that mineral for a long time. We took a lot of things together but not identical all the time.
And there's the problem. You're NOT qualified to make those interpretations.
I may NOT be certified in what I say but I've read plenty over the last 20 yrs or so and recently found a lot of valuable info in Dr. Sinatra's info on Heart Health and he's big on magnesium. I've got a post in the Daily Journal area on Heart Health and mostly all of Dr. Sinatra's works. Thank you very much.
This is my gut feeling about a lot of things and I feel if my sister had taken some adjuncts along with her MS drugs she "might" be alive today. I gave her many options that I got from other MS people but she listened to all the mainstream specialists who pushed their drugs. I'm on other groups and talk to a lot of people who work with many OPTIONS.
I don't particularly care what you choose to do to maintain your health but NO doctor can take a patient off "desiccated support" without their consent.
When my doctor/s tell me they are going to add/change a medication, I ask why. I make them tell me the benefits of something new. Just as I did with the Eliquis. I had no reason to believe that it would react negatively until it did. And I knew enough to contact the doctor immediately to resolve the unwanted side effects.
If your friend just did what good little sheepie do, then she isn't advocating for herself.
I'm a big girl and I'm able to decide what it is I want to do without you or anyone else deciding that I don't research or that I just worship at the feet of doctors. 'taint so and while you claim others harass you for your stand on alternative treatment, you do the same to people who don't agree with you.
I find it telling that two friends big into herbals/supplements came down with a-fib. Hmmmm. Is it possible that they would have developed a-fib no matter what they took, if they even took nothing?
I've talked to her about the need for mag when she got out of hospital, when she was up talking, and sent her info from Sinatra and now she's reading his book. It sounds like she was taking low dose of mag here and there...i've taken a good amount daily for many years...hope I don't end up with afib.
Over the years I've read books from doctors saying: mag is even more important than taking larger amounts of calcium.
She had to go with what Kaiser was saying/telling her to do about the thyroid med as she was their patient and on all their drugs. My guess is that they don't work with desiccated products...they are too natural in nature.
Jamin, you answered the question many posts ago. It is an never ending cycle once you get hooked into the sytem. Doctors and Pharms are businesses who need new and repeat customers to stay in business.
You talk about your sister. I have seen it with my husband over 30 years; thyroid, cholesterol, BP meds. Constant monitoring, doctor visits, changes in scripts, additions to. Lately, the high blood pressure pills are the worse. He keeps getting TOO LOW BP being on HIGH BP meds. To the point were it has become outright dangerous. People hear all about too high BP, but they never hear about too low BP. Did you know that can kill you too?????? Oh, we will "tweek" your dosage to take only a half then to a quarter of a pill a day because your BP is getting too low. Damn, why are you taking these at ALL? Finally, moved to a different state and different doctor who told him NOT to take them at all daily, monitor it daily, and only take a Pill if his BP get over a certain score. Hello????? I have been saying the same thing to him for YEARS. If he didn't want to believe me, maybe he will believe his new Cardiologist who is a doctor, unlike me?
Jamin, all businesses need repeat customers. Once on a medication, on a medication for life. About the only exception would be antibiotics. Learned their lesson years ago with over prescribing antibiotics. Learning their lesson today with opioids and what they have reaped. Makes you think will there be others?
I just remembered this, I listen to a call in medical program on Saturdays and today and doc was talking about how MD's get paid by the drugs they write. You just can't go to a doc and talk about your health etc. They have to "write" something. When I see my integrative MD which is once a year, twice maybe, I walk out OFTEN with no scripts and what she does write are for thyroid and BP, so she's making nothing on those little older meds I take.
And there's the problem. You're NOT qualified to make those interpretations.
There was a holistic healer who offered nutrition advice on his call in show. He had a number of people that would call in and yell at him for "not being qualified" to give advice. So he went and became a certified dietitian (not a nutritionist, they aren't licensed).
And he continues to give the SAME advice he always did, only now he doesn't get harassed by callers, because now he is "legit." All that changed is he wasted a few years and thousands of dollars on getting a license to "practice." His advice remained unchanged.
My point? Who is more qualified? Someone with knowledge? Or someone who spent money getting knowledge? Remember the line from Good Will Hunting about the library and $1.50 in overdue fees.
Some of the stupidest people have the most degrees. And some of the smartest people never went to college. And if you are a critical thinker and read and question, you understand the difference. Most people today, unfortunately just do as they are told. They ask NOTHING. A doctor could write them 4 prescriptions and they will go and get them filled, never asking what or why. Good little robots. Pop those pills doc said so.
My point? Who is more qualified? Someone with knowledge? Or someone who spent money getting knowledge? Remember the line from Good Will Hunting about the library and $1.50 in overdue fees.
Some of the stupidest people have the most degrees. And some of the smartest people never went to college. And if you are a critical thinker and read and question, you understand the difference. Most people today, unfortunately just do as they are told. They ask NOTHING. A doctor could write them 4 prescriptions and they will go and get them filled, never asking what or why. Good little robots. Pop those pills doc said so.
I don't think that really parallels the 2 years of clinicals during med school and the 3-7 years of residency doc's complete and whatever amount of time they have in practice. Nor doesn't it parallel the 5-10-20-30-40-50 years of research experience for a scientist. You cannot learn experience in a book.
I just remembered this, I listen to a call in medical program on Saturdays and today and doc was talking about how MD's get paid by the drugs they write. You just can't go to a doc and talk about your health etc. They have to "write" something. When I see my integrative MD which is once a year, twice maybe, I walk out OFTEN with no scripts and what she does write are for thyroid and BP, so she's making nothing on those little older meds I take.
Doctors do not get paid for writing prescriptions and many people leave the office of their physician - "integrative" or not - without one.
Unless the doctor dispenses the medication in the office he does not make any money on it.
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).There is no hidden agenda to make people sick, they don't deliberately produce drugs with side effects so they can be treated with another drug.
