Why drug companies can't/won't produce drugs w/out side effects (lawyers, brainwash)

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by Cassy Fae

I don't think that really parallels the 2 years of clinicals during med school and the 3-7 years of residency doc's complete and whatever amount of time they have in practice. Nor doesn't it parallel the 5-10-20-30-40-50 years of research experience for a scientist. You cannot learn experience in a book.

Yep, I think we are seeing the Dunning - Kruger effect in action.

[jayrandom]

Short answer to the OP's question is because it's too difficult. Human biochemistry is subtle and it's nearly impossible to find a chemical that will only target a specific negative thing in every person.

Originally Posted by newtovenice

Some of the stupidest people have the most degrees. And some of the smartest people never went to college. And if you are a critical thinker and read and question, you understand the difference. Most people today, unfortunately just do as they are told. They ask NOTHING. A doctor could write them 4 prescriptions and they will go and get them filled, never asking what or why. Good little robots. Pop those pills doc said so.

I hear this all the time, usually from people without degrees. They'll sometimes spout some crazy nonsense about physics and have absolutely no real evidence to back it up. And they're usually just absolutely convinced that math isn't all that important to science. Math is just details to them, as are things like self-consistency, experimental evidence, and the scientific method. It's all common sense, and anyone who thinks differently from their particular brand common sense is an overeducated fool.

Sure, a few really smart people slip through the cracks, but there is a really strong correlation between intelligence and education. Pretty much every Nobel and Fields winner went to college. And sure, you may say, they're all part of this great big science conspiracy that keeps the true geniuses down. If you believe that, there isn't much I can say to convince you otherwise as it's basically an us vs them sort of thing. I'm just glad we make the airplanes.

[Mikala43]

Originally Posted by jaminhealth

I just remembered this, I listen to a call in medical program on Saturdays and today and doc was talking about how MD's get paid by the drugs they write. You just can't go to a doc and talk about your health etc. They have to "write" something. When I see my integrative MD which is once a year, twice maybe, I walk out OFTEN with no scripts and what she does write are for thyroid and BP, so she's making nothing on those little older meds I take.

That is just not true.

[jaminhealth]

Originally Posted by Mikala43

That is just not true.

Well, that's what this particular MD said. I heard him and good hearing I have.

Good that you know the truths.

[Rob702]

Originally Posted by jaminhealth

Well, that's what this particular MD said. I heard him and good hearing I have.

Good that you know the truths.

Likewise. Good hearing I have as well and there's so many things I have heard in my life that are not the truth. I'm sure it's similar for you, isn't it?

The only time, an MD directly benefits from writing a prescription is if it's an i.v. compound or an injection that is administered in their office/practice.

[jaminhealth]

Originally Posted by Rob702

Likewise. Good hearing I have as well and there's so many things I have heard in my life that are not the truth. I'm sure it's similar for you, isn't it?

The only time, an MD directly benefits from writing a prescription is if it's an i.v. compound or an injection that is administered in their office/practice.

And how do you know it's with IV drug only. Are you and MD around here too? Why would this conventional MD make this statement on the radio for 1000's or more to hear?

What's this all about?

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-...promote-2015-1

[Mikala43]

For gosh sakes, I go to my docs all the time without a script being written.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by jaminhealth

And how do you know it's with IV drug only. Are you and MD around here too? Why would this conventional MD make this statement on the radio for 1000's or more to hear?

What's this all about?

What Drugs Are Doctors Paid The Most To Promote - Business Insider

Did you even read the ProPublica site?

The doctors who are getting paid millions of dollars either invented a device or developed a new drug.

The average practicing doctor may have a drug rep bring donuts or pizza or sandwiches every once in a while. A few earn money by doing speaking engagements.

This is the highest paid doctor, who is not being paid for writing scripts but for inventing orthopedic medical equipment:

https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/

Roger Jackson

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansasci...thopedics.html

If a doctor does not dispense the drug in the office he does not get paid a penny for it. When they do administer drugs in the office, insurance reimbursement often barely covers the cost. I know this is true for cancer chemotherapy and vaccines.

[jaminhealth]

Originally Posted by Mikala43

For gosh sakes, I go to my docs all the time without a script being written.

Well, some of us don't go to doctors all the time. If so healthy why go all the time?

I see my integrative MD usually once/twice a year to check in, get some labs and renewals on my few meds.

The other "workers" I see are to WORK to keep me out of the operating room for knee surgery. Time will tell if I can accomplish that endeavor.

[newtovenice]

Originally Posted by jayrandom

Short answer to the OP's question is because it's too difficult. Human biochemistry is subtle and it's nearly impossible to find a chemical that will only target a specific negative thing in every person.



I hear this all the time, usually from people without degrees. They'll sometimes spout some crazy nonsense about physics and have absolutely no real evidence to back it up. And they're usually just absolutely convinced that math isn't all that important to science. Math is just details to them, as are things like self-consistency, experimental evidence, and the scientific method. It's all common sense, and anyone who thinks differently from their particular brand common sense is an overeducated fool.

Sure, a few really smart people slip through the cracks, but there is a really strong correlation between intelligence and education. Pretty much every Nobel and Fields winner went to college. And sure, you may say, they're all part of this great big science conspiracy that keeps the true geniuses down. If you believe that, there isn't much I can say to convince you otherwise as it's basically an us vs them sort of thing. I'm just glad we make the airplanes.

Earning a degree means memorizing and spouting back what you are told. Spout it back enough over the years, and you are rewarded with a piece a paper.

That's what I mean by stupid. Frankly, anyone can get a degree. All it takes is time and money and memorization. It does NOT make you smart and it does not make you a critical thinker. Can people with degrees be critical thinkers? Of course. But most are parrots because that is how they have been trained. They are not thinkers.

BTW, my calculus professor in college made us write out definitions. If you did not write it out exactly as he provided it in class, it was marked wrong. Only made that mistake once, on my first test, silly me, I wrote it in my own words. For all the following tests, I just memorized like a good little parrot, and ended up with an A for the class. He didn't teach me a thing, but how to memorize. So much for math.

And of course the prizes go to those who perpetrate the status quo. Anyone who is a critical thinker can see the reasoning for that. It's not an us versus them situation to see reality for what reality is. All of our major scientific breakthroughs throughout history have been by those outside the system, who were ridiculed, persecuted and not taken seriously. What does that say about the fact that those people are still ignored, ridiculed and persecuted? Have we learned nothing? I can answer that question ....