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There are a number of misconceptions that conservatives have. I'll call them misconceptions, although I really suspect they are untruths...and they know it. But if they say it often enough, maybe some people will believe them.
I'm a middle of the road Democrat. I don't seek other Democrats out as friends, but there does seem to be a natural inclination to hang around people who share perspectives on life.
1. Never once have I personally heard a Democrat say that we ought to have open borders. Never. Not once. The most I have ever heard a Democrat say was that immigration ought to reflect the world at large, not just countries that are essentially like us. In that way, our nation will learn a more world-wide perspective on things instead of being so US-centric...which is exactly what embroiled us in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
2. Never once have I personally heard a Democrat say that immigrants matter more than American citizens. That was just the false premise of this thread. I've heard Democrats say that immigrants are more needy than Americans. And that's true.
3. If immigrants are so evil, why does the president keep marrying them?
4. Most immigrants are not "vermin" or a "pestilence" ("pest"). Most are good people. Some fit into our culture, others don't. You know...sort of like many Americans.
5. Most immigrants hate less than certain people right here in the United States.
It seems to have been forgotten by a lot of past administrations, and I am not particularly found of Trump, but the #1 job of the President of the United States is to protect the American citizens and secure the country. It really is.
There are a number of misconceptions that conservatives have. I'll call them misconceptions, although I really suspect they are untruths...and they know it. But if they say it often enough, maybe some people will believe them.
I'm a middle of the road Democrat. I don't seek other Democrats out as friends, but there does seem to be a natural inclination to hang around people who share perspectives on life.
1. Never once have I personally heard a Democrat say that we ought to have open borders. Never. Not once. The most I have ever heard a Democrat say was that immigration ought to reflect the world at large, not just countries that are essentially like us. In that way, our nation will learn a more world-wide perspective on things instead of being so US-centric...which is exactly what embroiled us in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
2. Never once have I personally heard a Democrat say that immigrants matter more than American citizens. That was just the false premise of this thread. I've heard Democrats say that immigrants are more needy than Americans. And that's true.
3. If immigrants are so evil, why does the president keep marrying them?
4. Most immigrants are not "vermin" or a "pestilence" ("pest"). Most are good people. Some fit into our culture, others don't. You know...sort of like many Americans.
5. Most immigrants hate less than certain people right here in the United States.
On the flip side, it’s a common misconception that liberals have and that’s that conservatives hate immigrants. Specifically the topic is “illegal immigration” vs “legal immigration”. The President is married to one and not the other so that answers your third statement.
The whole “immigrants are evil” is a narrative crafted by the left to attempt to describe conservative views of immigration. Conservatives don’t like illegal immigrants because they break laws, cheat the system, irresponsibly put their families at risk, and expect to be rewarded and accepted for their actions.
On the flip side, it’s a common misconception that liberals have and that’s that conservatives hate immigrants. Specifically the topic is “illegal immigration” vs “legal immigration”. The President is married to one and not the other so that answers your third statement.
The whole “immigrants are evil” is a narrative crafted by the left to attempt to describe conservative views of immigration. Conservatives don’t like illegal immigrants because they break laws, cheat the system, irresponsibly put their families at risk, and expect to be rewarded and accepted for their actions.
1. I have heard an awfully lot of hateful comments from conservatives about immigrants.
2. A lot of conservatives want only immigrants from countries like ours. Perhaps you could share with me what the wonderful similarities are between the United States and Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.
3. Yes, I agree, there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration. But once again, I have never heard a Democrat say that illegal immigration is a good thing.
4. No, a certain person has used terms like "animals", "pests", and "vermin". That's not something made up by the media.
The 'nut jobs' already have open borders. Have had so for a century or more.
They have liked it the way it is in order to supply low cost no complaint labor.
Want to solve the REAL problem?
Institute FELONY level criminal charges for the business owners who hire them.
No walls needed.
Want to solve the DEEPER problem?
Look deeper at why these people will uproot themselves... their motivation.
Know what you'll find? We are far from innocent in those reasons as well.
We don't get any more innocent by doing this. And it doesn't matter. This isn't mob rule. It's a republic. We have laws and all citizens are entitled to have the laws enforced. It doesn't matter about the past. That was them. This is now.
The nut jobs ignore the law and we let them get away with it. Fortunately, it's not total lawlessness.... YET. Trump's is taking steps toward enforcing the law. That's his job. People who respect borders need to support him.
The nutjobs aren't telling the immigrants on the Rio Grande what their real agenda is....
... if they erase the border between two countries... or three... or four.... it means the end of ALL of them. Not just one side. And that's what the nutjobs want.
Correct, and the immigration issue isn't a job for the President, it belongs to Congress, the POTUS can not make any law or change any law it is up to the Executive Branch of the Government to enforce the laws.
So Congress has taken an issue that both Democrats and Republicans are responsible to solve and turned it into a partisan dog and pony show. They are both 100% to blame on this issue.
I agree with you that Congress should make laws re immigration not the President. But the President should lead the way perhaps in enforcing the laws we have on the books. I am not a Trump supporter but I am anti-illegal immigration and believe that we should either change the law to allow anyone to come here willy-nilly as it is now... or enforce the law which would stop this.
And I also agree that both Democrats and Republicans want illegal immigrants because both parties are controlled by Big Business and Corporations and so all of the above are for cheap illegal labor.
However re making laws, "In the United States, an executive order is a directive issued by the President of the United States that manages operations of the federal government and has the force of law. "
The problem of course is that the clinic is not capable of handling more than a small part of the population. The dealing with illegals is pro forma. They virtually all meet the economic qualifications or at least appear to. If however they get citizens into the queue it will over load them and most of the standard citizens will not meet the financial qualifications. So they get more rigorous when they run into a regular citizen.
It may well be that many of the illegals would not meet the financials either but they do not have any paper trail showing that they do not. A feature of being an illegal alien. And many benefits will be to their legal children.
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You are exactly right.
But some of the legal Latinos, my wife knew. They had businesses and made as much money as I did when I was fully employed. Yet they were not checked by the manager of the free clinic, nor asked for tax returns, s I was. If they had checked they'd have found they had businesses and made good money. More money than I was making, since I was unemployed.
No matter how you look at it, I was discriminated against in my own country, with illegal aliens getting the benefits I could not get.
In what thinking process is this believed to be the right way to run the U.S. of A?!!?
I will answer this:
One in which corporations control the government; and corporations do not care about the USofA or its laws, only to the degree they can arrange things for their benefit.
Really, corporations (and the government they control) only care about making Profit for themselves at the expense of everyone and everything (environment, people, nation).
Citizens or illegals, they don't care about people, only about profit.
In this case it is to the Corporate States of America's advantage to have illegals here and favor them over American citizens sometimes.
So it didn't matter that I was a Citizen of the USofA and the people at the clinic were here as illegal aliens. What matters is that the illegal aliens are valued more than unemployed or poor Americans.
As a US citizen, my needs are met enough to the point where I can treat every human being with dignity.
Good for you. But what about all the U.S. citizens whose needs are not being met enough? Maybe you can imagine why they might not be so welcoming to people who break the law to come here and break the law by staying here, working illegally, etc., and get benefits that we Americans cannot get!
My wife who was a legal immigrant, then U.S. Citizen would ask me, "Why do my [illegal immigrant] friends get all this free stuff and we don't?"
I would try to explain it to her but it was hard. Basically it makes no sense.
In the end I would say "because our American government encourages people to come here illegally by giving them jobs and benefits like free health care, free clothes, free school books, free this, free that. It boils down to cheap labor that Big Business can pay low - even illegal - wages and and push around on the job because they know the illegals will not complain".
It's really all about greed and profit by Big Business.
Instead of waiting for government to abolish socialism, withdraw from it (FICA is 100% voluntary - no law compels participation nor punishes non participants)..
Another former DC/MD resident here. I have to agree. The most virulent anti-immigrant rhetoric comes from areas where there aren't a lot of minorities or immigrants. Arizona used to be pretty tolerant until rust belt retirees started moving in.
I don't know about the majority, but I'm anti-illegal-immigrant (not anti-immigrant) and I lived in an area where the immigrants (many illegal) were more than 50% of the population.
I think it's the opposite case: if you live in high-ILLEGAL-immigrant area you will see why it is bad for the USofA. I will grant you that many are hard workers, many are good people. But it's still bad for the USofA. Because there are even more who are uneducated criminals and abuses of our (U.S citizens) good nature... I could list good reasons why it's lousy to live in a high ILLEGAL immigrant area, but I don't have time now. Suffice to say that illegals tend to be less educated, have less manners, and abuse our system wherever and however they can.
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