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This is not really a Republican vs. Democrat issue.
The fact is, Republicans want illegals here just as much as Democrats if you were to look at their records. What did the last several Republican Presidents do to stop the tide?
BIG BUSINESS wants illegals. And which is more the part of Big Business?
Both are; with perhaps the Republicans being a little more so than Democrats.
They want them for two different reasons. Republicans like them because its cheap labor, meaning things get done cheaper and can help compete with countries with higher labor cost. Democrats like them because it just feels good let everyone exploit our welfare programs and they're a sucker for every sob story that comes across the border. Those sob stories help boost liberal credentials and immigrants can be counted on for future votes.
In either case, it's political suicide to openly declare open borders and remove all immigration laws. It's also political suicide to enforce the existing laws because it looks heartless. Hence we gotta problem.
I'm more in the heartless camp. Most people see a picture of kids separated from their parents at the border and think that's mean. I see that and think it's a genius way to discourage others. In America, when you put your kids at risk doing something illegal, we take them away because that makes you a bad parent.
What makes you think Charlottesville represents mainstream Republicans? Surely you understand sensationalism don’t you?
I agree. Not all Republicans believe that way. But I don't hear many Republicans speaking out against things like Charlottesville. They mostly remain very quiet.
That's only because they don't seem to take a look at the consequences for their largesse.
We're a nation of immigrants. No question. And any person who comes here legally is absolutely welcome in my eyes as a neighbor, a co-worker, a potential friend, and a community member. Regardless of their country of origin.
But a country has a right to police its borders. If one reads up on Ellis Island, there were plenty of people who got off the boat, were deemed unworthy to enter the United States, and put right back on with a return ticket.
Yet while the economic needs of the United States required more immigrants in the age of Emma Lazarus, it's simply not that way now. In 1900, 70% of all labor worked in agriculture, which meant an almost endless supply of strong manual, yet unskilled, labor was needed. Today, it's somewhere around 2%. The jobs today are skilled and in tech. We have ample unskilled labor as it is.
So opening the border to anybody from Central America, Asia, Africa, or Europe means that you're going to be increasing competition for our own unskilled laborers, workers who need the jobs and the income. Those are the people who are going to pay for our generosity.
Which posters in this thread have said that a country does not have the right to police its borders? Please...be specific.
First of all, lets define a few terms before diving into this subject.
What is an immigrant: In short, an immigrant is a foreign national who has applied for residency in another country. The key word here is "applied".
What is a refugee: A refugee is a foreign national seeking asylum in another country to escape life threatening conditions from their native country.
What is an illegal alien: A person who crosses another nation borders without meeting the requirements above.
Now we have to ask just why do we have a government and laws governing our country? The Declaration of Independence states why: "........that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,....................."
So our government was formed to secure the rights of those people who fall under the "consent of the governed". Our Constitution only applies to the United States and its Territories, it does not extend to other countries.
The needs of the people of the governed must come first, for this is why our government was formed. Immigrants who come into this country are extended the same protection as any other person in this country, and when, if they choose, to become a citizen of this country, then all benefits of citizenship are extended to them. Refugees coming into this country are given the same protection under the law as a citizen, however, they are not immigrants and therefore they can not apply for citizenship, they must return to their native country when conditions allow.
The saying applies here: How can you expect to care for others if you do not care for yourself first.
When I take your post and strip away the cutesy language that you think makes a point, you're still justifying one group of people stealing the land and resources away from another group of people. Apparently it was "okay" for white colonists to just sail on over and take away what the Indians owned. Okay. So why isn't it okay for MS-13 or Mexicans or others to do the same? Or Russia? Or the Chinese?
Nope, not "justifying" anything, just stating the facts that there is NOBODY on this continent with clean hands, not even the always downtrodden and picked on darlings of the left the "Native Americans" aka American Indians.
I agree. Not all Republicans believe that way. But I don't hear many Republicans speaking out against things like Charlottesville. They mostly remain very quiet.
They mostly remain quiet about a lot of things, Berkeley as an example...
I agree. Not all Republicans believe that way. But I don't hear many Republicans speaking out against things like Charlottesville. They mostly remain very quiet.
What does Charlottesville have to do with Republicans at all? It wasn’t a political rally. Why is the Party of Lincoln supposed to apologize for white supremacist?
This is not really a Republican vs. Democrat issue.
The fact is, Republicans want illegals here just as much as Democrats if you were to look at their records. What did the last several Republican Presidents do to stop the tide?
BIG BUSINESS wants illegals. And which is more the part of Big Business?
Both are; with perhaps the Republicans being a little more so than Democrats.
Exactly! If it was REALLY one party and not the other then it'd be fixed by now, just like right this minute. I'm not buying it's only the Democrats as the Republicans control both houses, just like back when Democrats were in the same position and did NOTHING...
Nope, not "justifying" anything, just stating the facts that there is NOBODY on this continent with clean hands, not even the always downtrodden and picked on darlings of the left the "Native Americans" aka American Indians.
The first half of your response I agree with.
The second half...you're just being nasty.
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