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phetaroi has to be kidding about republicans not solving the immigration issue.
every republican-controlled branch for the last 30 years would love to solve the issue but democrats are obstructionists on this particular problem.
this problem could easily be solved by enforcing the laws we already have on the books and extending it to (severely) punish companies that hire illegal labor, and landlords who rent to them. make it hard to get a job and rent an apartment and you won't need a wall. the problem would largely take care of itself over the next decade or two.
but again, democrats don't want to see this happen because they know the more illegal immigrants that come to the country, the better chance they have at winning elections.
I see the dividing issue as about identifying immigrants (a good thing)
from the illegal border crossing criminals of various flavors.
A couple laws that will charge business owners with a FELONY criminal charge
for hiring anyone without the right to work should solve most of the issues.
Undoing the damage WE HAVE DONE to the poor countries rooted in our 'war on drugs'
will solve whatever issues are left over.
Of course, the boogie man USA is always the reason these countries are sh|tholes. Start the violin music.
There are a number of misconceptions that conservatives have. I'll call them misconceptions, although I really suspect they are untruths...and they know it. But if they say it often enough, maybe some people will believe them.
I'm a middle of the road Democrat. I don't seek other Democrats out as friends, but there does seem to be a natural inclination to hang around people who share perspectives on life.
1. Never once have I personally heard a Democrat say that we ought to have open borders. Never. Not once. The most I have ever heard a Democrat say was that immigration ought to reflect the world at large, not just countries that are essentially like us. In that way, our nation will learn a more world-wide perspective on things instead of being so US-centric...which is exactly what embroiled us in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
2. Never once have I personally heard a Democrat say that immigrants matter more than American citizens. That was just the false premise of this thread. I've heard Democrats say that immigrants are more needy than Americans. And that's true.
3. If immigrants are so evil, why does the president keep marrying them?
4. Most immigrants are not "vermin" or a "pestilence" ("pest"). Most are good people. Some fit into our culture, others don't. You know...sort of like many Americans.
5. Most immigrants hate less than certain people right here in the United States.
Maybe you should stop listening to what they say, and start paying attention to what the Democrats in power do.
Umm, so called "Native Americans" didn't just materialize here either, they immigrated as well...
And when they came across other "native Americans" who seemed to live in a better part of the world, they often fought wars against those other native Americans to take their land away. And they usually kept some of them around as slaves when they won.
Yes, I wonder just how many border check points they went through on their immigration 30,000 years ago.
To immigrate is to seek residency in another country. At the time of the 'native americans' migration into North America there were no countries and no borders, therefore immigration would have been impossible.
Now I do believe that when the Europeans came to North America the Native Americans should have had better border security, you see what happens when you have open borders. Just ask the Native American population how well open borders worked out for them.
And if you're honest, not just against the <evil > Europeans but every other Indian Nation/Tribe as well as they raped/pillaged/killed each other to get horses,women and land...
Always the right wing idiocy. The majority of those coming in today are overstayers. They come in on airplanes. Airplanes fly over walls.
There is virtually no possibility of an everify that does not require intent to hire illegals. The only real outcome of even a mildly upgraded everify will be to force the illegal aliens to the black market. Almost half are there already.
There is no problem on the left or anywhere with deporting criminal aliens. I would note however that doing so has in fact created the problem with such groups as MS13 which originated in Los Angeles but has now been spread widely in the Americas by the bad guys we deported.
And always the left wing pap and pablum. We should do nothhhhhhhhing because <insert idiocy here> and it's raaaaaaaacist.
So, you're saying that MS13 was exported to El Salvador after STARTING in LA? You might want to look a bit deeper than Wiki/MSM and Maxine Watters for your info as it is certainly in dispute. I find it interesting that it starting in the U.S. "story" always comes back around to blame the U.S. for it's immigration policies. Notice the trend? In fact, on doing a search for how and where it began the stories vary quite a bit as does the the history of the name.
I highly doubt the LA story given how many MS 13 members are currently and historically in El Salvador and that much of the leadership is there as well.
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The gang began shaping in El Salvador and originated in 1980s with violent guerrillas that fought in the civil war of El Salvador (hence the gang name, “Mara Salvatruchaâ€). The name came from a street in El Salvador call “La Mara and the word Salvatrucha means "street tough Salvadorians†in colloquial Spanish. When the war started to come to an end in El Salvador, the gang decided to move to Honduras. Once the gangs traveled to Honduras, it grew tremendously, and they were able to get about 36,000 people to join. Since the gang grew greatly in a sort amount of time, the Honduras government passed a law so that anyone associated in a gang could be in prison for up to 9 years. When the gang felt that they were recognized and had major impact in Honduras, they moved to Mexico. The same pattern continued in Mexico.
Mara Salvatrucha was originally brought in to Los Angeles to prevent other violent LA gangs from messing with immigrants that were from El Salvador. That’s where the gang came up with the nick name MS-13. MS is from the word “Mara Salvatrucha†and the number “13†is from the thirteenth letter of the alphabet which is “M". This decision to add "13" to their name was after a bitter feud between The Mexican Mafia and Mara Salvatrucha.
The government of the United States has an absolute obligation to its own citizens above all others. This should not even be debatable.
The real question is do we owe a larger loyalty to the rule of law or what humanitarian cause du jour crops up? And if we see real problems with the law as it exists today, then why not move to change it. I've yet to see either political party lift a finger to change current immigration law.
I've noticed how, when it comes to the topic of illegal immigration, the people most vocal in favor of it do not have to suffer the ramifications of leniency. They are not factory workers. They don't work on a construction site. They are now driving a forklift in a warehouse.
Nope. They are lawyers, clergy, and other professionals who are far removed from the competition that illegal immigration brings. Yet, give them twenty minutes to move on to the next cause, and they'll be complaining about the stagnation of working-class wages in this country, never realizing that a major driving factor in lower wages is the law of supply and demand.
If you have abundant cheap labor coming here illegally and the employer can hire those laborers without legal consequence, then it not only creates increased competition for jobs but, according to many economists, lowers wages as well.
And when they came across other "native Americans" who seemed to live in a better part of the world, they often fought wars against those other native Americans to take their land away. And they usually kept some of them around as slaves when they won.
Nope,no way, didn't happen. Didn't you get the memo? It's the EVIL WHITE EUROPEANS who started ALL of that while stealing everything from the peaceful, loving and non violent "Native Americans" who got along with everybody and everything prior to the arrival of outsiders...
phetaroi has to be kidding about republicans not solving the immigration issue.
every republican-controlled branch for the last 30 years would love to solve the issue but democrats are obstructionists on this particular problem.
this problem could easily be solved by enforcing the laws we already have on the books and extending it to (severely) punish companies that hire illegal labor, and landlords who rent to them. make it hard to get a job and rent an apartment and you won't need a wall. the problem would largely take care of itself over the next decade or two.
but again, democrats don't want to see this happen because they know the more illegal immigrants that come to the country, the better chance they have at winning elections.
And the Churches are solidly for it as the more that come in the better their pews are filled as well as their collection plates as the majority of hispanic people are Christian/Catholic...
Immigrant here, legal.
Has anyone seen numbers of immigrants being taken in by the Vatican?
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> Europeans but every other Indian Nation/Tribe as well as they raped/pillaged/killed each other to get horses,women and land...
You might want to look a bit deeper than Wiki/MSM and Maxine Watters for your info as it is certainly in dispute. I find it interesting that it starting in the U.S. "story" always comes back around to blame the U.S. for it's immigration policies. Notice the trend?
