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And always the left wing pap and pablum. We should do nothhhhhhhhing because <insert idiocy here> and it's raaaaaaaacist.
So, you're saying that MS13 was exported to El Salvador after STARTING in LA? You might want to look a bit deeper than Wiki/MSM and Maxine Watters for your info as it is certainly in dispute. I find it interesting that it starting in the U.S. "story" always comes back around to blame the U.S. for it's immigration policies. Notice the trend? In fact, on doing a search for how and where it began the stories vary quite a bit as does the the history of the name.
I highly doubt the LA story given how many MS 13 members are currently and historically in El Salvador and that much of the leadership is there as well.
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Mara Salvatrucha (MS), also known as MS-13 (the 13 representing their Sureño affiliation), is an international criminal gang that originated in Los Angeles, California, in the 1980s. The gang later spread to many parts of the continental United States, Canada, Mexico, and Central America, and is active in urban and suburban areas. Most members are of Central American origin, principally El Salvador.
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The gang of eight proposed a plan to resolve the problem in 2013. Would very likely have passed but for the refusal of the Republican leadership to allow a vote in the house. At this point the Republicans own the issue.
The need to legalize the present long term illegal is actually pretty obvious to anyone who actually thinks about the issue. The present population is simply too massive for any other solution to work.
I make no charge of racism just practicality. And I do not and have never supported illegal aliens. I am not particular leftist no a seeker of truth and solutions. That of course puts me into opposition to the idiot right fairly often. I also oppose the idiot left. But that is much lower key than the right at the moment.
And when they came across other "native Americans" who seemed to live in a better part of the world, they often fought wars against those other native Americans to take their land away. And they usually kept some of them around as slaves when they won.
When you put this post together with your previous advice to look at what people do, as opposed to what they say, you just justified slavery. I don't care if they were Indians, or white colonists, or Southern plantation owners. There is no moral justification for slavery.
Nope,no way, didn't happen. Didn't you get the memo? It's the EVIL WHITE EUROPEANS who started ALL of that while stealing everything from the peaceful, loving and non violent "Native Americans" who got along with everybody and everything prior to the arrival of outsiders...
When I take your post and strip away the cutesy language that you think makes a point, you're still justifying one group of people stealing the land and resources away from another group of people. Apparently it was "okay" for white colonists to just sail on over and take away what the Indians owned. Okay. So why isn't it okay for MS-13 or Mexicans or others to do the same? Or Russia? Or the Chinese?
First of all, lets define a few terms before diving into this subject.
What is an immigrant: In short, an immigrant is a foreign national who has applied for residency in another country. The key word here is "applied".
What is a refugee: A refugee is a foreign national seeking asylum in another country to escape life threatening conditions from their native country.
What is an illegal alien: A person who crosses another nation borders without meeting the requirements above.
Now we have to ask just why do we have a government and laws governing our country? The Declaration of Independence states why: "........that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,....................."
So our government was formed to secure the rights of those people who fall under the "consent of the governed". Our Constitution only applies to the United States and its Territories, it does not extend to other countries.
The needs of the people of the governed must come first, for this is why our government was formed. Immigrants who come into this country are extended the same protection as any other person in this country, and when, if they choose, to become a citizen of this country, then all benefits of citizenship are extended to them. Refugees coming into this country are given the same protection under the law as a citizen, however, they are not immigrants and therefore they can not apply for citizenship, they must return to their native country when conditions allow.
The saying applies here: How can you expect to care for others if you do not care for yourself first.
And if you're honest, not just against the <evil > Europeans but every other Indian Nation/Tribe as well as they raped/pillaged/killed each other to get horses,women and land...
Jimj, that's not the point here, how they lived in their own country isn't the issue, the issue is, Borders. The point is the Europeans didn't respect the fact that people were currently living in a country that they wanted to claim, so they invaded. You see, there is such a thing as Inherent Sovereignty, and all of the Native American tribes met the conditions of inherent sovereignty long before the Europeans arrived in North America, therefore the Europeans had no right to claim lands that were already Sovereign nations, this was illegal immigration as we define it today and usurping governments that were currently in existence.
I pretty much agree with what you wrote here. In particular I take the first paragraph. I don't even see anyone really debating that.
That's only because they don't seem to take a look at the consequences for their largesse.
We're a nation of immigrants. No question. And any person who comes here legally is absolutely welcome in my eyes as a neighbor, a co-worker, a potential friend, and a community member. Regardless of their country of origin.
But a country has a right to police its borders. If one reads up on Ellis Island, there were plenty of people who got off the boat, were deemed unworthy to enter the United States, and put right back on with a return ticket.
Yet while the economic needs of the United States required more immigrants in the age of Emma Lazarus, it's simply not that way now. In 1900, 70% of all labor worked in agriculture, which meant an almost endless supply of strong manual, yet unskilled, labor was needed. Today, it's somewhere around 2%. The jobs today are skilled and in tech. We have ample unskilled labor as it is.
So opening the border to anybody from Central America, Asia, Africa, or Europe means that you're going to be increasing competition for our own unskilled laborers, workers who need the jobs and the income. Those are the people who are going to pay for our generosity.
Because democrats know that the children of illegals will be citizens and vote heavily in their favor in the future.
This is not really a Republican vs. Democrat issue.
The fact is, Republicans want illegals here just as much as Democrats if you were to look at their records. What did the last several Republican Presidents do to stop the tide?
BIG BUSINESS wants illegals. And which is more the part of Big Business?
Both are; with perhaps the Republicans being a little more so than Democrats.
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You might want to look a bit deeper than Wiki/MSM and Maxine Watters for your info as it is certainly in dispute. I find it interesting that it starting in the U.S. "story" always comes back around to blame the U.S. for it's immigration policies. Notice the trend?
In fact, on doing a search for how and where it began the stories vary quite a bit as does the the history of the name.
Didn't you get the memo? It's the EVIL WHITE EUROPEANS who started ALL of that while stealing everything from the peaceful, loving and non violent "Native Americans" who got along with everybody and everything prior to the arrival of outsiders...
