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Old 07-27-2009, 11:06 AM
 
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These differences are what determine the different races of the same species.
For the umpteenth time, there is no scientific basis for the existence of race.

Taking your argument to even more ridiculous levels, do redheads constitute a different race? How about tall people?

 
Old 07-27-2009, 11:14 AM
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I suppose if one's understanding of genetic adaptations to environment is as ignorant as you present, then your observation would be... obvious. However, we do know that "blacks" without white ancestry actually did give birth to "whites" since whiteness is an environmental adaptation, nothing more and nothing less.

Human Biological Adaptability: Skin Color as an Adaptation
Blacks giving birth to "whites"... those whites aren't like Paris Hilton white, aren't they albinos? A genetic mutation? And there's no way that any of these albino blacks could be mistaken for a regular old white person. They have the nappy hair and wider nose.



If what you're suggesting were true, then in China, there would be occasional spontaneous babies that were black or white. But that doesn't happen.

There are people born with genetic variations that cause them to have skin pigment issues, but that doesn't change their racial or ethnic affiliation.

And white people baking in the sun all day long doesn't ever get them as black as someone from the black race. It just gets them skin damage and future melanomas and skin cancers. Even Chinese people can't get as dark as a black person.
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:18 AM
 
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For the umpteenth time, there is no scientific basis for the existence of race.

Taking your argument to even more ridiculous levels, do redheads constitute a different race? How about tall people?
That's ridiculous. Based on what you're saying there would be no difference between a tiger and a house cat. One is just a different color and a lot bigger. Both cats = same species. Different breeds = different race.

I've heard the claims that there really are no different races. Its nonsense.
 
Old 07-27-2009, 11:20 AM
 
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For the umpteenth time, there is no scientific basis for the existence of race.

Taking your argument to even more ridiculous levels, do redheads constitute a different race? How about tall people?
it's true that race is a social construct in that there are not definite boundaries but people did evolve differently which created their characteristics and then interbreeding within the same environment. that's why tigers and lions are different but can mate. usually the offspring is sterile but not always. they are only a separate species because they've been separated much longer and have had less contact. humans however have been interacting with eachother a lot more so there is no speciation but there are differences that can be likened to breeds to some extent.

it's true there are many traits to categorize people such as religious, atheists, tall, short, blonde, brunette, smart, dumb, etc.

but race is something that is closer linked to culture so that is how we categorize people to make it easier.

your example of the redhead is a great point though. they usually have similar features like freckles, very pale skin etc. you could liken that also to a certain breed or race if they were so categorized.
 
Old 07-27-2009, 11:24 AM
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For the umpteenth time, there is no scientific basis for the existence of race.

Taking your argument to even more ridiculous levels, do redheads constitute a different race? How about tall people?
Do you accept the existence of the many breeds of dogs? Or what about farm animals? Or even the different varieties of vegetables and grains, all interbred and manipulated by human beings? Maybe "race" is scientifically a misnomer, but more of a common usage terms. The fact is there are different species or strains of human beings. And why wouldn't there be after so many thousands of years on this earth and living in different locales with their different environments.

And compared to Asians, blacks are taller, more robust physically and make better athletes with their fast twitch muscles. And maybe Asians have a more passive and analytical temperament. But the two groups differ at least physically. Internally, Asians don't digest alcohol and dairy products as well as the other races. Considering the problem with obesity and diabetes within the AA community, I'd say that the current American diet isn't beneficial for them. Or maybe they need more physical exercise as living in Africa would give them a more regular physical lifestyle.
 
Old 07-27-2009, 11:24 AM
 
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Blacks giving birth to "whites"... those whites aren't like Paris Hilton white, aren't they albinos? A genetic mutation? And there's no way that any of these albino blacks could be mistaken for a regular old white person. They have the nappy hair and wider nose.



If what you're suggesting were true, then in China, there would be occasional spontaneous babies that were black or white. But that doesn't happen.

There are people born with genetic variations that cause them to have skin pigment issues, but that doesn't change their racial or ethnic affiliation.

And white people baking in the sun all day long doesn't ever get them as black as someone from the black race. It just gets them skin damage and future melanomas and skin cancers. Even Chinese people can't get as dark as a black person.
he/she means that if the out of africa theory is true, then africans would have given birth to lighter offspring over time.

maybe whites were born from a mutation like that of albinos. who knows
 
Old 07-27-2009, 11:31 AM
 
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today though, race how has traditionally been defined will become moot. our environments are different. we are not evolving in a natural environment anymore. we will evolve and change as a species to something different no matter what race you are.

this is why race issues are not as pertinent by harping so much on the past or it will eventually become more so obsolete and defined anew.
 
Old 07-27-2009, 11:32 AM
 
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Do you accept the existence of the many breeds of dogs?
Now were are mixing match breeds to race?

Once again you confuse pheonotype with genotype. There are many "breeds" of dogs but there is but one single species, canis lupus familiaris.
 
Old 07-27-2009, 11:33 AM
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he/she means that if the out of africa theory is true, then africans would have given birth to lighter offspring over time.

maybe whites were born from a mutation like that of albinos. who knows
I don't think that's what he was getting at... but how much time are we taking about? A hundred years? A thousand years?

Of the Brits that settled in Australia, the white ones seem to be staying very white and their hair isn't getting kinky. And dark skinned blacks don't get lighter if they stay out of the sun.
 
Old 07-27-2009, 11:41 AM
 
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I just would like some input as to why is there racism? We should be nice to others because we all are human beings... Any inputs?
Americans like racism, it's almost a holy family value that has been placed on a pedestal. Racism makes people feel all fuzzy and warm inside about themselves.
How many American groups, organizations, and individuals can anyone name that would include racism in the category of morals?
America without racism would be like Egypt without the pyramids.
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