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Old 07-31-2009, 06:38 PM
 
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What a surprise.

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Old 07-31-2009, 09:22 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Bottom line is you dont have any right to dictate policy on others private property. NONE.
Get over it, nobody owes you anything.
What another gambler said they would do was words, people say all sorts of things. Throwing things at people is entirely different.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 03:35 AM
 
Location: FIN
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Yea, but we don't spend years and years dying of the ravages of a stupid habit, we stay home and collect our pensions longer, in good health. Smokers will be using as many tax dollars at $5,000 per day, which will cover me for several months of Social Security, and my other private pensions do not involve tax dollars at all. In fact I'll be paying taxes.
If things were so simple, then yes. If you believe that only by smoking you will avoid all health problems at your old age, you will be in for a big surprise one day. And i have never heard of a smoker spend years and years dying in awful pain while consuming $5000/day worth of medical treatment.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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If things were so simple, then yes. If you believe that only by smoking you will avoid all health problems at your old age, you will be in for a big surprise one day. And i have never heard of a smoker spend years and years dying in awful pain while consuming $5000/day worth of medical treatment.
Lung cancer is very painful, and will put you in a hospital bed, slowly dying, in a very painful way.

I'm not sure you'll make it a year doing that, but the average hospital stay is 5000 dollars a day.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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For those of you who believe tobacco ought to be outlawed, please outline how you see that working.

For example, what are the police and the courts doing today, who would later be diverted to enforcing your ban on tobacco products? Under what circumstances would the police be allowed to search your car or your home, to look for tobacco products? How sophisticated is our current technology for detecting the presence of tobacco? Can tobacco be grown amongst marijuana crops, which nobody bothers to look for anymore, so that it escapes detection? If police suspect that you are in possession of tobacco, should they be authorized to use deadly force to make an arrest? What about medicinal tobacco? Should immigrants or tourists who have a history of tobacco use or an addiction to tobacco be denied entry into the US?
 
Old 08-01-2009, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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For those of you who believe tobacco ought to be outlawed, please outline how you see that working.

For example, what are the police and the courts doing today, who would later be diverted to enforcing your ban on tobacco products? Under what circumstances would the police be allowed to search your car or your home, to look for tobacco products? How sophisticated is our current technology for detecting the presence of tobacco? Can tobacco be grown amongst marijuana crops, which nobody bothers to look for anymore, so that it escapes detection? If police suspect that you are in possession of tobacco, should they be authorized to use deadly force to make an arrest? What about medicinal tobacco? Should immigrants or tourists who have a history of tobacco use or an addiction to tobacco be denied entry into the US?

You're asking alot of people with one struggling brain cell ya know!

None of them can see the control issues or the erosion of personal liberties in the nannie agenda's.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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If someone exercises a right to smoke I can not exercise a right to breath near them without being exposed to something I don't wish to have. I do not want cigarettes to be illegal as it will only make for more crime. I really don't like smoke to be in the public spaces Im in.

If you like the smoke so much why are you rolling your car windows down?> keep them up and keep that nasty smell inside your space.... And yes I often can smell people smoking while Im driving, mostly near lights. I believe you have the right to smoke but I have the right not to be subjected to it. And yes I do avoid bars and TG bowling alleys serve food and they cant smoke there... but the door ways getting in are nasty... i hold my breath and b-line.

I don't understand why anyone likes to be manipulated by a big business. They place so much nasty stuff in them to make you so addicted. for those that chew... they put fiberglass in it to lacerate your gums to get you addicted... Its nasty what these companies do for profits and I don't understand why anyone would willingly support them.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 10:29 AM
 
Location: FIN
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Lung cancer is very painful, and will put you in a hospital bed, slowly dying, in a very painful way.

I'm not sure you'll make it a year doing that, but the average hospital stay is 5000 dollars a day.
Ok. i'm not saying this can't be the case. Just saying that it varies from person to person. I just wanted to say that our Department of Health over here made a study about this, and the outcome was that smokers consume 1/4th less in retirement benefits, and health-care services at a whole, because they live 10-15 years less than non-smokers. This study was only about Finland, but it would be really intresting if there would be a similar study about the US.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 10:40 AM
 
Location: FIN
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I don't understand why anyone likes to be manipulated by a big business. They place so much nasty stuff in them to make you so addicted. for those that chew... they put fiberglass in it to lacerate your gums to get you addicted... Its nasty what these companies do for profits and I don't understand why anyone would willingly support them.
Just like people who eat tons of junk food, and therefore are way too obese. In my opinion, this is a much bigger problem than smokers.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 10:59 AM
 
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Just like people who eat tons of junk food, and therefore are way too obese. In my opinion, this is a much bigger problem than smokers.
There is a big difference here. I have seen people chew tobacco, it is disgusting as they are spitting all the time. But, I can look the other way because they are not affecting me personally. When I am in the casino, I would much rather have a chewer next to me than a smoker any day of the week. As far as obese people, give me a break. Yeah, they look gross, but they are not hurting anyone but themselves. If someone wants to eat junk food all day and get obese, that is their business, not mine. I do not mind obese people, and/or chewers around me at all. To equivelate them to a smoker would be an obese person physically forcing hot dogs down your throat, or a chewer holding you down forcing you to do it with him. In other words, there is absolutely no comparison.
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