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Old 08-01-2009, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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drinking in moderation, even like 4-5 drinks a day (please keep in mind I am 6'5" so 5 does not do much to me!)
I'm 6'2" and five drinks would put me under the table.

It's not so much about body size or weight, but tolerance. Regardless of your size, if five drinks don't do much to you, then you're probably drinking more than you should.

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They even say drinking a few drinks a day is even good for you!
I believe the generally accepted wisdom here is one glass of red wine, and it's primarily for the antioxidants found in it. I don't think you'll find anyone (with any authority or credibility) that says that having "a few" beers or tequila shots every day is "good for you."

 
Old 08-01-2009, 04:09 PM
 
Location: hampton roads
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HELL NO!!!

If i choose to smoke anything in my home, car, or a private location, its none of your business what it is.

There are many studies that fast food has more harmful side effects then second hand smoking. The "Third hand" smoking thing I just don't buy. Thats like saying I farted at my house, and now you're going to get cancer at work because of it. LAUGHING OUT LOUD!!!!

LESS government intervention. I will say that if we are going to have a national healthcare plan, then if you smoke you can't be on the national plan. I pay for my own insurance, I support my own habits, and I take great pains to make sure it doesn't effect anyone else, so don't tell me what I can and can not do with my body. ME TOO I'll start growing my own Tobacco plants next to my other plants. ME TOO That way I can roll my own cigars to. (I gave cigarettes up years ago, to expensive, and not enough kick).
You tell her, Henry
 
Old 08-01-2009, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Of course you would post something like this. You are a smoker. But please remember you are also a drug addict. Cigarettes have no useful purpose other than to fulfill a drug dependence and habit.
Didn't we already cover this? Maybe it was someone else...

Anyway, yes, there are therapeutic uses for tobacco and nicotine. Spend five or ten minutes on Google sometime and you'll be amazed at the medical uses nicotine has.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 04:13 PM
 
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A major tobacco company, I think RJ Reynolds, had a memo leaked that they wrote to the Czech government, detailing how much money a government will save in old-age costs if a certain percentage of citizens smoke cigarettes and shorten their lifespans by doing so.
Of course cigs shouldn't be outlawed. But social pressure works very well. Witness that 50% of American adults used to smoke and now it's down to some 25 percent.

I read that graphic meth PSA's worked very well in Montana, capital of meth abuse. Maybe young people don't care about future health problems (even a few years into the future) but they sure seem to care about having cratered skin, rotting/absent teeth, and generally looking like ten miles of bad road after a short time of using meth. Similar approaches can be good with cigs.
if you read up on health promotion, scare mongering is one of the least useful ways to effect behaviour change.If it does then it is short lived change.
It generally costs millions in TV adverts etc so isn't cost effective
 
Old 08-01-2009, 04:14 PM
ttz
 
Location: Western WA
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you must be a pathetic liar 90 percent of people are against banning cigarettes out right..

beleave me i don't like cigs it's a bad habit and i smoke.. but to out right ban cigarettes is a foolish thing to do!!! you would be giving the drug cartells another product to make money with!! and it would create more adverse affects than it would solve..

this is the way i see it if you want to ban cigs, i say ban casinos.. i say ban casinos someone els says ban fire arms where does it end.
I hate to say it but I do predict that in the next ~100 years cigs will most likely be banned and or non used by anyone anymore. (maybe black market LOL) All they are good for is being a cash cow. They are a sure shot way to end your life sooner. Why use them knowing this? Eventually the governments will find other ways to milk money from a product to help it run.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 04:17 PM
ttz
 
Location: Western WA
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Didn't we already cover this? Maybe it was someone else...

Anyway, yes, there are therapeutic uses for tobacco and nicotine. Spend five or ten minutes on Google sometime and you'll be amazed at the medical uses nicotine has.
At a cost of being an addict though? No thanks! I will find other avenues to those supposed benefits!
 
Old 08-01-2009, 04:19 PM
 
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Yes drinking a lot of alcohol is worse than smoking a few packs of cigs as you can get behind the wheel and kill someone and yourself. BUT drinking in moderation, even like 4-5 drinks a day (please keep in mind I am 6'5" so 5 does not do much to me!) is not as bad as smoking even as few as 5 cigarettes. They even say drinking a few drinks a day is even good for you! Is smoking a few cigs a day good for you? Um NO....
if you have drink alcohol every day then chances are you are addicted to some degree.
I am female an 5'10-one unit of alcohol and I can feel it-3 and I am tipsy.
It's about tolerance, not about your size.
If you are used to alcohol you can drink more without any effect-that's when it starts to become a problem.
Do you know what liver failure does to people?
 
Old 08-01-2009, 04:21 PM
ttz
 
Location: Western WA
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if you read up on health promotion, scare mongering is one of the least useful ways to effect behaviour change.If it does then it is short lived change.
It generally costs millions in TV adverts etc so isn't cost effective
Funny as the FDA has mandated that all cigarette packs will have 50% of graphic color pictures on them like other countries do.

Not sure how this will affect America's cigarette addicts. But I sure would get a bad taste in my mouth when I opened up a pack of chocolate and saw a picture of a black diseased lung on it! LOL

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/business/local/article/TOBA11_20090710-222605/279380/ (broken link)
 
Old 08-01-2009, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I hate to say it but I do predict that in the next ~100 years cigs will most likely be banned and or non used by anyone anymore. All they are good for is being a cash cow. They are a sure shot way to end your life sooner. Why use them knowing this? Eventually the governments will find other ways to milk money from a product to help it run.
I predict that in 100 years we'll have cooled the atmosphere of Venus and begun growing "space corn" there.

If, after that time passes, I'm wrong, come and find me, and I'll grudgingly admit my mistake. Oh, that's right - I'll be dead. I guess it's a good thing for me that I'll never have to defend that statement!

100 Years ago, we didn't have airplanes. Practical use of electricity wasn't much more than an idea - heck, we hadn't even settled on which delivery system we'd use for it.

Making predictions 100 years into the future is laughable, at best.

Wouldn't it be ironic, though, if after all tobacco had been outlawed and every plant eradicated, someone researching this extinct plant discovered a cure for cancer in its DNA?

Be careful what you wish for.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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At a cost of being an addict though? No thanks! I will find other avenues to those supposed benefits!
I see you failed to spend even the tiniest amount of time looking it up.

Not surprising. You've clearly been very successfully brainwashed to believe that there couldn't possibly be any benefit to be found in such an evil plant.

BTW, you did catch that I never - ever - said that smoking is healthy, right? You did see that, didn't you?

I doubt it. The brainwashing is in full effect. Tobacco = evil/no benefits/etc. and anyone suggesting otherwise is to be flatly dismissed.
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