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At least one truck driver was detained at a weigh station because of the new immigration law (http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-31836-Dallas-Trucking-Examiner~y2010m4d23-At-least-one-truck-driver-was-detained-at-a-weigh-station-because-of-the-new-immigration-law - broken link)
No matter what side you find yourself on this issue, I haveto ask what this will lead to?
At least one truck driver was detained at a weigh station because of the new immigration law (http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-31836-Dallas-Trucking-Examiner%7Ey2010m4d23-At-least-one-truck-driver-was-detained-at-a-weigh-station-because-of-the-new-immigration-law - broken link)
No matter what side you find yourself on this issue, I haveto ask what this will lead to?
Unfortunately in the world we live in today, it is the price we pay for safety. We need it, even though it may or may not be viewed as fair or just. I wouldn't complain if I were detained because I know they are trying to assure safety. Not that I would like it mind you, but I would still understand. I think everyone should get a passport card, it looks like a driver's license at have on them at all times. I'm not sure I understand the whole issue this driver faced, so there could be more than that and so take it with a grain of salt what I am trying to say.
Unfortunately in the world we live in today, it is the price we pay for safety. We need it, even though it may or may not be viewed as fair or just. I wouldn't complain if I were detained because I know they are trying to assure safety. Not that I would like it mind you, but I would still understand.
Exactly the wrong attitude.
Lots of other ways to stop illegal immigration, rather than detaining American citizens for no reason, other than they look different.
Lots of other ways to stop illegal immigration, rather than detaining American citizens for no reason, other than they look different.
That is what it is coming to, unfortunately. And, I personally don't think it is the wrong attitude. I think we have to get used to living in a different world.
That is what it is coming to, unfortunately. And, I personally don't think it is the wrong attitude. I think we have to get used to living in a different world.
I don't have to get used to living in a country, where I have to walk on egg shells, lest big brother comes looking for me.
The new Arizona law is tantamount to requiring every American to carry proof of legal status at all times. If I were a cop, I would automatically stop every single car with Arizona plates, and take everyone in the car to jail if they could not prove their US citizenship or immigration status on the spot. I wouldn't care if he is the Governor of Arizona and his grandchildren---everybody goes to jail until they can prove their status on paper. If he complained, I'd just say "Be careful what you wish for".
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I wouldn't complain if I were detained because I know they are trying to assure safety.
Please explain to me how you think this is a safety issue. How does it protect MY safety when YOU are thrown in jail for going to your mailbox to get your mail, forgetting you birth certificate and photo ID..
You'll quickly change your mind about not caring about being detained, when you spend a few days in jail and lose your job and pay thousands of dollars in fines for leaving your house with your wallet in your other pants.
The new Arizona law is tantamount to requiring every American to carry proof of legal status at all times. If I were a cop, I would automatically stop every single car with Arizona plates, and take everyone in the car to jail if they could not prove their US citizenship or immigration status on the spot. I wouldn't care if he is the Governor of Arizona and his grandchildren---everybody goes to jail until they can prove their status on paper. If he complained, I'd just say "Be careful what you wish for".
Please explain to me how you think this is a safety issue. How does it protect MY safety when YOU are thrown in jail for going to your mailbox to get your mail, forgetting you birth certificate.
It reminds me of times in Poland during communist rule where anyone anytime could be ID by the cops.
The new Arizona law is tantamount to requiring every American to carry proof of legal status at all times. If I were a cop, I would automatically stop every single car with Arizona plates, and take everyone in the car to jail if they could not prove their US citizenship or immigration status on the spot. I wouldn't care if he is the Governor of Arizona and his grandchildren---everybody goes to jail until they can prove their status on paper. If he complained, I'd just say "Be careful what you wish for".
Please explain to me how you think this is a safety issue. How does it protect MY safety when YOU are thrown in jail for going to your mailbox to get your mail, forgetting you birth certificate and photo ID..
You'll quickly change your mind about not caring about being detained, when you spend a few days in jail and lose your job and pay thousands of dollars in fines for leaving your house with your wallet in your other pants.
First off, I really don't think you will be picked up going to your mailbox.
I really don't know what the answer is. I understand what they are trying to do, but I just don't know what the correct way to handle it is. Didn't say I did. I said if I were stopped/detained and questioned I would understand what they were trying to do. Didn't say it is necessarily THE way to control immigration. I am simply stating I acknowledge there is a problem and they are trying to control it. What IS the best way to control immigration in your opinion? You didn't offer one here.
First off, I really don't think you will be picked up going to your mailbox.
I really don't know what the answer is. I understand what they are trying to do, but I just don't know what the correct way to handle it is. Didn't say I did. I said if I were stopped/detained and questioned I would understand what they were trying to do. Didn't say it is necessarily THE way to control immigration. I am simply stating I acknowledge there is a problem and they are trying to control it. What IS the best way to control immigration in your opinion? You didn't offer one here.
The law gives law enforcement the right, to check your papers whenever, however, and for whatever reason they want.
The law just says "reasonable" as the reasoning for checking. Reasonable is a relative term, and means something different to everyone.
This law is a problem since it violates civil rights. People are going to be stopped for whatever reason, whenever, if they look "foreign", or something. I could be driving around Arizona one day minding my own business, in a hurry to get to the office, but not speeding, when suddenly a police car stops behind me asking me for my papers. I am a US citizen, I don't have to show anybody any papers. certainly no random cop who is rascist. You just know the rascist cops are going to be power- tripping. This is profiling and it is unjust. If the country is in such bad shape with too much illegal aliens, then the government should come up with an idea on how to stop them from getting in, not go and target US citizens because of their lack of brains. US citizens are not at fault because the government can't think outside the box. This shouldn't be an issue that the civilians have to deal with. What are they going to do next, pass a bill where if you (a civilian) don't go watch the border every other Friday, they will come and get you? What the hell are the armed forces for? Why are we paying taxes?
The senator clearly crossed the line on this bill, and for that I am going to stop vacationing in Arizona from now on, so that maybe she can get an idea that this is going to affect Arizona fiscally, if enough people do it. I have no problem with the poor people in Arizona, but the senator needs to get the f out.
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