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Old 04-17-2020, 09:27 AM
 
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Yeah. Administrators make huge salaries while employing adjunct professors at starvation wages—literally. They charge more tuition for upper division courses. Lower division courses are often taught by lesser qualified TAs, some of whom are barely able to speak English. Meanwhile, students become enslaved by student debt, off which lenders reap huge profits. And, now we have ample evidence that rich kids game the system to get admission to colleges they are not qualified to attend.

Our university system needs reforming from top to bottom,
Most of that describes American society, not just our universities. (What administrators take him is most likely peanuts compared to corporate CEOs though.)

The only thing I'll add specific to universities is that the average college graduate earns almost double (about $1 million more) over their lifetimes what a non-graduate does. The debt is terrible and our government should be paying more for the costs of higher education, but the earnings increases still are huge on average.

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Old 04-17-2020, 09:52 AM
 
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We have tools and a world that is built to handle nature unlike an animal in the wild who has only its instincts. So what you are saying is we should have no medicine for the flu, pneumonia, anything. Just let the populatio naturally die and replenish. If you call that civilization we might as well be cavemen.
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Old 04-17-2020, 09:58 AM
 
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In the wild, in nature; the old, weak and sick are the first to die. The gene pool then gets strengthened.

We humans are no exception. Why are we messing with what we can't conquer?

Major agendas have been served that would never have been palatable without a "crisis." The virus is the smokescreen. You have to look behind the curtain to truly understand where we are heading.......



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
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Old 04-17-2020, 10:28 AM
 
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Most of that describes American society, not just our universities. (What administrators take him is most likely peanuts compared to corporate CEOs though.)

The only thing I'll add specific to universities is that the average college graduate earns almost double (about $1 million more) over their lifetimes what a non-graduate does. The debt is terrible and our government should be paying more for the costs of higher education, but the earnings increases still are huge on average.

But if only the rich can afford that education, who does that really benefit? It also encourages people to only go into high-paying fields, when many of our most important fields are not high-paying.
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Old 04-17-2020, 10:32 AM
 
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But if only the rich can afford that education, who does that really benefit? It also encourages people to only go into high-paying fields, when many of our most important fields are not high-paying.
Definitely not enough people.
The point is that if we view higher education as a public good much like a high school education, the national defense, police departments, etc., the solution is not to make any of those things "cheap." That risks poor quality. With all those other things, the cost is just concealed because it is covered through tax revenues. I'd definitely support a similar approach to higher education.

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Old 04-17-2020, 06:51 PM
 
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We use toilet paper, which isn't natural. And we cook our food, which isn't natural. We wear clothes, which isn't natural. We use electricity (unnatural) and computers/smartphones (totally not natural). We wear glasses, set broken bones, and treat cancer. It seems like we're definitely more on the "unnatural" side in all instances.
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Old 04-17-2020, 07:01 PM
 
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In the wild, in nature; the old, weak and sick are the first to die. The gene pool then gets strengthened.

We humans are no exception. Why are we messing with what we can't conquer?
Maybe because no one is about to happily die to make the species stronger. Sorry, but that is absurd and you might feel differently if you had a sick child, old parent or are very ill yourself. Humans have the will to live. Sorry.
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