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I had a viral illness in January that started suddenly with a sore throat and low grade temp. One of my activities brought me into contact with a lot of passengers returning from China after the holiday season. The illness progressed and tried to make its way into my chest but seemed to be repelled each time it tried. Had nausea and the fever persisted for about 4 days. Took me about 10 days to recover even though the symptoms were mainly nasal and sinusitis. Cough was a prominent feature too, and that persisted for about 2 weeks. I believe this may well have been COVID but without testing or serology now, really can't confirm it. Whatever it was, it wasn't your usual run of the mill URTI. Recent reports are now giving credibility to the fact that data from December, January and February, which were the critical early months in the outbreak, reveal how hundreds of thousands or even millions of undetected coronavirus cases could have entered the country while medical experts remained unaware of the seriousness of the illness.
And, strange as it seems, they seem to remain unaware to this day and to be content to remain so. I was sick for nearly a month beginning January 18th with something very different than anything I've ever had in my life. Some similarities to what you describe. At that time, nearly everyone I knew either had the same thing or knew someone who did.
I believe California is doing well statistically right now (compared to NY, NJ, and other "hot" areas) because COVID hit us early and swept populated areas before anyone seemed to realize what it was. Nobody was tested in that time frame and the medical experts advising Trump have placed antibody testing in a low priority status.
So far, our approach to this problem nationally - as prescribed by the medical experts and insisted upon by the MSM mob - is sheer lunacy.
I had a viral illness in January that started suddenly with a sore throat and low grade temp. One of my activities brought me into contact with a lot of passengers returning from China after the holiday season. The illness progressed and tried to make its way into my chest but seemed to be repelled each time it tried. Had nausea and the fever persisted for about 4 days. Took me about 10 days to recover even though the symptoms were mainly nasal and sinusitis. Cough was a prominent feature too, and that persisted for about 2 weeks. I believe this may well have been COVID but without testing or serology now, really can't confirm it. Whatever it was, it wasn't your usual run of the mill URTI. Recent reports are now giving credibility to the fact that data from December, January and February, which were the critical early months in the outbreak, reveal how hundreds of thousands or even millions of undetected coronavirus cases could have entered the country while medical experts remained unaware of the seriousness of the illness.
For the most part part, COVID deaths are due to suffocation. The lungs fill with fluid and the person drowns. That is pretty darn easy to detect and document. The congestion is incremental. Oxygen helps in mild cases, ventilation in more severe but when it gets bad enough, nothing helps. The lungs fill with fluid and you die. Underlying conditions are usually known as well from medical histories such as history of smoking, COPD, heart disease and so on. Anything that affects respiration or breathing. These kinds of things may give you two strikes to start with, COVID is the third strike and you are out but the death is still due to COVID.
One thing I haven't seen any statistics on or any discussion of is how the numbers of deaths of elderly and/or comorbidity cases in this COVID-19 hysteria era compare to the numbers of deaths in same groups prior to the panic. After all, nobody has batted an eye at tens of thousands of flu deaths every year in mostly the same population. There is nothing new about old people and sick people dying. How many more are dying today as COVID-19 hysteria is destroying life as we've known it for hundreds of years than were dying a year ago in an equivalent time frame?
Substantially more? Any more? Or have we simply stumbled upon a previously unlabeled subset of "natural causes"?
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I wonder if the overall deaths/death rates will actually increase or if this is the 'new' cause. So instead of people being labeled 'flu and pneumonia' deaths they will be 'coronavirus' but overall? Same number of deaths for the year. Have to wait and see.
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For the most part part, COVID deaths are due to suffocation. The lungs fill with fluid and the person drowns. That is pretty darn easy to detect and document. The congestion is incremental. Oxygen helps in mild cases, ventilation in more severe but when it gets bad enough, nothing helps. The lungs fill with fluid and you die. Underlying conditions are usually known as well from medical histories such as history of smoking, COPD, heart disease and so on. Anything that affects respiration or breathing. These kinds of things may give you two strikes to start with, COVID is the third strike and you are out but the death is still due to COVID.
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Believe it or not, doctors are pretty good at determining the cause of death. Now if you come in smashed up in a car or with a bullet in your forehead, no one is going to blame that on COVID.
With so many dying from COVID, no one needs to pad their numbers.
As the above poster indicates deaths of those who test positive, even with underlying health issues or co-morbidities, are still deaths by COVID19. They were alive before they contracted it and then they died. COVID caused their death. That is a death from COVID19. And the mortality rate is higher from COVID19 than from the regular flu. This is no regular flu.
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And, strange as it seems, they seem to remain unaware to this day and to be content to remain so. I was sick for nearly a month beginning January 18th with something very different than anything I've ever had in my life. Some similarities to what you describe. At that time, nearly everyone I knew either had the same thing or knew someone who did..
Me too. Try to find this information on MSM. HA.
The FDA approved the antibody test a day ago. Perhaps we can get tested soon.
Well just thought I'd add my story to this long and interesting thread. Way back in late MAY, JUNE, I traveled throughout Northern Europe for 3 weeks on a Princess cruise ship. There were nearly 3,000 passengers, many from Asian countries, several of whom we became acquainted with and dined with in the buffet dining rooms.
Upon my return, which was around the second week in June, I developed a virus that I'd never had in all of my (many) years on this Earth. First I had a sore throat, then quickly developed a cough 24-7 that came with every breath, chest tightness that never let up, difficulty breathing - AND wait for it...a loss of smell/taste (a known CV symptom). I also developed an eye infection which has been documented, in several places, as an early harbinger of the infection. I almost never run a fever, but it probably went up to around 99 which is about as high as I go.
I never had a single day of congestion, I was phenomenally dry the entire time. It lasted nearly 3 weeks.
About a week in, I went to the doctor who did order a chest x-ray which was negative for pneumonia. She had no idea what it was but said it was just one of those 'weird bugs out there'.
At this point, I have no idea if it was an early strain of COVID-19 but it sure seems like a possibility...
Well just thought I'd add my story to this long and interesting thread. Way back in late MAY, JUNE, I traveled throughout Northern Europe for 3 weeks on a Princess cruise ship. There were nearly 3,000 passengers, many from Asian countries, several of whom we became acquainted with and dined with in the buffet dining rooms.
Upon my return, which was around the second week in June, I developed a virus that I'd never had in all of my (many) years on this Earth. First I had a sore throat, then quickly developed a cough 24-7 that came with every breath, chest tightness that never let up, difficulty breathing - AND wait for it...a loss of smell/taste (a known CV symptom). I also developed an eye infection which has been documented, in several places, as an early harbinger of the infection. I almost never run a fever, but it probably went up to around 99 which is about as high as I go.
I never had a single day of congestion, I was phenomenally dry the entire time. It lasted nearly 3 weeks.
About a week in, I went to the doctor who did order a chest x-ray which was negative for pneumonia. She had no idea what it was but said it was just one of those 'weird bugs out there'.
At this point, I have no idea if it was an early strain of COVID-19 but it sure seems like a possibility...
The molecular genetics of the virus show it emerged in China in November to December, 2019.
"Estimates of the timing of the most recent common ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 made with current sequence data point to emergence of the virus in late November 2019 to early December 2019, compatible with the earliest retrospectively confirmed cases."
I'm starting to believe I could have possibly had a very mild case of COVID-19 about three weeks ago. One day I started to feel really tired and weak all of a sudden...so I just rested for a few hours. Then, it went away. For the next several days, I had mild congestion, a runny nose and a scratchy throat... I thought nothing of it... I assumed it was just a cold. Now I'm finding out that some people with COVID-19 have very mild symptoms or no symptoms at all... Who knows.
And, strange as it seems, they seem to remain unaware to this day and to be content to remain so. I was sick for nearly a month beginning January 18th with something very different than anything I've ever had in my life. Some similarities to what you describe. At that time, nearly everyone I knew either had the same thing or knew someone who did.
I believe California is doing well statistically right now (compared to NY, NJ, and other "hot" areas) because COVID hit us early and swept populated areas before anyone seemed to realize what it was. Nobody was tested in that time frame and the medical experts advising Trump have placed antibody testing in a low priority status.
So far, our approach to this problem nationally - as prescribed by the medical experts and insisted upon by the MSM mob - is sheer lunacy.
I could not rep you again but would have. And sorry for the DM; I largely agree with you.
Exactly right...same thing I have been telling these folks who seem to think this particular virus has been circulating much longer..
Not possible, we haven't come close to reaching the peak yet and look at how hospitalizations and deaths are increasing exponentially.
If the virus had been here sooner we would have seen these spikes much sooner....
I do have to disagree~ It (Covid-19) was an unknown.. and appreciate most travel during winter months .. then bring back whatever they were exposed to to friends and relatives.. Those suffering arose all ages exhibit symptoms from nothing to all encompassing that can lead to "DEATH" ~~ Problem is with this particular "Brand".. incubation and elongated timeline lends to a form of "Typhoid Mary Scenario" Only those that are vulnerable respond and advance into life threatening situations. It's proving that initial impressions based on past influenza many got duped into believing this "Unknown Strain" was similar!! NOT!!
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I honestly believe this thing has been around longer than they are saying. A person I know works at a casino , the largest one in Wisconsin and they get tons of visitors from China. In December, she was tested for an unknown virus after having all the symptoms. Hospital said they didn't know what virus it was but remember Covoid-19 wasn't tested for.
There was no test so follows "Unknown Cause" of symptoms back then~~ but you may be correct.. there's no doubt thousands who are now ( short-term) immune to Covid-19. Only time and testings will figure that out!!
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All I am saying is that it was circulating in China in December. Out of those infected, I am sure SOME traveled. Remember, many show NO symptoms plus~ not ALL people pass it on.
It's common sense~~ My DIL was sick early Feb/ symptoms fit profile and now is concerned she exposed me weeks later!! (Cancer recovering person). It's now April and I'm doing fine at least so far given exposed every time I go out.... But not to worry.. Retired Nurse/Covered nose and mouth/ no hugs and kisses/ waved from afar etc.. mostly phone convo's to touch base and share!!
These questions about Could it have been may be available to know once this crises is over.. It would be great to ascertain if someone was immune resistant .. and those NOT.. especially until "Vaccine" is available"!
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