RIP George Floyd, Houston misses you (Howe, Blackwell: live in, assessment, move)

[roadtrip75]

Originally Posted by Vicman

If anything it's progressive to recognize that a person who did serious crimes, did his time, and repented for it is now being treated as a victim when police kill him in an unjustified manner for a petty crime.

Floyd didn't repent, the police didn't kill him, and his crimes weren't petty.

Just in the short time before he was arrested, he passed counterfeit money and used fentanyl and meth. Then he resisted arrest.

Those are three very serious crimes.

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by Kid Ashbury

I am. You clearly don't know what that means. But hey, Ashli Babbitt's (the woman in the capitol on Jan 6th who was shot in the neck) death was just ruled a homicide today, I'm sure that means you agree the black police officer who shot her murdered her and should be charged for her murder, right?




You wouldn't be inconsistent with your views depending on the race of the people involved, would you? Lets hope not, that would make you an actual racist.


Just gonna leave this here for the Fentanyl Floyd-loving science-deniers:



Cheers

Homicide means the person died at he hands of another person. Some homicides are justified, like the death of Ashli Babbitt, and no charges are filed or justified against the person responsible for the death. For Floyd, homicide means he didn't die from drugs, suicide, etc. It means he died at the ands of another person. The Chauvin trial is meant to determine whether Floyd's death was unjustified, and whether there should be any punishment.

Originally Posted by roadtrip75

Floyd didn't repent, the police didn't kill him, and his crimes weren't petty.

Just in the short time before he was arrested, he passed counterfeit money and used fentanyl and meth. Then he resisted arrest.

Those are three very serious crimes.

So, my Dad should have been cuffed and knelt on the time he paid for something with counterfeit money he had received in change? No, the police showed up, asked where he had received the bills, and took the bills away as evidence. Which is what should have happened to Floyd. I know several other people who have received counterfeit bills, and none of them was arrested.

Is using drugs a crime? Possession, sale, etc are, but is the actual use a crime?

None of the crimes you mention should have resulted in Floyd's death, nor should Chauvin have knelt on his neck for as long as he did.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by Kid Ashbury

I am. You clearly don't know what that means. But hey, Ashli Babbitt's (the woman in the capitol on Jan 6th who was shot in the neck) death was just ruled a homicide today, I'm sure that means you agree the black police officer who shot her murdered her and should be charged for her murder, right?




You wouldn't be inconsistent with your views depending on the race of the people involved, would you? Lets hope not, that would make you an actual racist.


Just gonna leave this here for the Fentanyl Floyd-loving science-deniers:



Cheers

Deflection. That’s all I have to say about this.

You went from “George Floyd died from an OD” to “what about Ashley Babbit?” It just underscores the fact that you can’t get past homicide being listed as the cause of death on the autopsy report. If you truly believe George Floyd’s death wasn’t a homicide, Ashley Babbit should be completely irrelevant here.

[Vicman]

Firstly according to his friends he did repent https://www.kare11.com/article/news/...a-8d1eb61bc671

“He had made some mistakes that cost him some years of his life,” said Ronnie Lillard, a friend and rapper who performs under the name Reconcile. “And when he got out of that, I think the Lord greatly impacted his heart.”

Passing a counterfeit $20 is not a serious crime, and the guy who reported him stated he wished he didn't do that now. Secondly being a drug user is a medical problem that should be treated and you should consider Portugal's advances with decriminalizing simple possession of drugs https://time.com/longform/portugal-d...iminalization/

Lastly: "Then he resisted arrest."

If the cops are leaning on your neck with a knee perhaps "resisting arrest" is justifiable here.

Originally Posted by roadtrip75

Floyd didn't repent, the police didn't kill him, and his crimes weren't petty.

Just in the short time before he was arrested, he passed counterfeit money and used fentanyl and meth. Then he resisted arrest.

Those are three very serious crimes.

[Mr. Clutch]

Originally Posted by roadtrip75

Floyd didn't repent, the police didn't kill him, and his crimes weren't petty.

Just in the short time before he was arrested, he passed counterfeit money and used fentanyl and meth. Then he resisted arrest.

Those are three very serious crimes.

Three very serious crimes?! Passing a counterfeit bill isn't a serious crime and using drugs isn't a crime at all.

Methinks you would feel right at home somewhere like Myanmar where the state can arrest and jail you over nothing at all.

[roadtrip75]

Originally Posted by WRM20

So, my Dad should have been cuffed and knelt on the time he paid for something with counterfeit money he had received in change? No, the police showed up, asked where he had received the bills, and took the bills away as evidence. Which is what should have happened to Floyd. I know several other people who have received counterfeit bills, and none of them was arrested.

Floyd was behind the wheel of a car while being wildly intoxicated after committing a felony offense. The decision to arrest was proper.

The decision to resist arrest was the problem. The decision to use dangerous illegal drugs, leading to an overdose, was the problem.

I would guess none of those factors applied to your father's situation. I would also guess your father didn't have two chances to make it right before the cops were notified. The clerk gave Floyd those chances, and he ignored them.

[roadtrip75]

Originally Posted by Vicman

If the cops are leaning on your neck with a knee perhaps "resisting arrest" is justifiable here.

First, he resisted arrest. Second, they leaned on his neck. Therefore, it is impossible for the neck hold to have triggered the resistance.

[roadtrip75]

Originally Posted by Mr. Clutch

using drugs isn't a crime at all.

This is actually true. Very dishonest, but true.


Since we know that Floyd was in possession of drugs (drugs found in the police car with his DNA), it's also irrelevant.

[Mr. Clutch]

Originally Posted by roadtrip75

This is actually true. Very dishonest, but true.


Since we know that Floyd was in possession of drugs (drugs found in the police car with his DNA), it's also irrelevant.

What's dishonest about that statement, exactly?

Actually, the fact they found the drugs in the car with his DNA is the part that is irrelevant - they found them AFTER the altercation with police and he was already dead. They did not find any drugs on him at the time meaning though they may have suspected he was under the influence, that in and of itself is not an arrestable offense. They couldn't know that they would find drugs in the future at that time.

They were there about the counterfeit funds and passing a counterfeit $20 can happen for any number of reasons. That is not a significant enough crime to respond the way they did.

You're using all of this evidence that we know now without considering what police *actually* knew at the time. That's what is important, not what all of us know now.

[AcresHomes44]

The most MPD could've done was arrest Floyd for passing the counterfeit. Chauvin was showing out for his colleagues. At some point, the other officers should've told Chauvin that's enough, but no one had the balls to stop Chauvin so that's why they all face charges.