What's the likelihood that Houston Texans would build a complex similar to "The Star"? (Arlington: lofts, house)

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by SanJac

You’re a fool if you believe that.

Jerry is raking in his millions from Cowboys fans living in yesteryear content with a mediocre product year after year.

Mediocre or not, they still have a very strong brand so even the slightest bit of success is seen as a big thing. The Cowboys brand extends into the stadium itself, which is far better than NRG and completed only seven years later. It's like NRG was the last of the old era of NFL stadiums, and the Cowboys/Cardinals stadiums were the beginning of the new era as those two hold up very well today.

Another thing that hurts the brand is the name itself. If McNair and his crew couldn't fight hard enough to have the NFL force Adams' to sell the history back, then they should have went with a name like Apollos to go with the city space theme. Cowboys can be universal. Texans is just too regional.

[oil capital]

Originally Posted by usc619

Yet, the Cowboys are putting out a superior product than the Texans year after year. At least Jerry is trying to win and give back to the community.

Perhaps, if by "year after year" you mean "occasionally":

2021: Texans 20 - Cowboys 14 (in Arlington)
2020: Didn't play
2019: Cowboys 34 - Texans 0 (In Arlington)
2018: Texans 19 - Cowboys 16 (In Houston)
2018: Texans 14 - Cowboys 6 (In Houston)
2017: Didn't play
2016: Texans 28 Cowboys 17 (In Arlington)

[hbcu]

The Mavs bought a practice facility across the freeway - but practice facilities don't win games in the NFL

only way this works is they get HISD or other local districts involved to have a football-playing tenant every week and another entity to keep it used throughout the year

[oil capital]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

Mediocre or not, they still have a very strong brand so even the slightest bit of success is seen as a big thing. The Cowboys brand extends into the stadium itself, which is far better than NRG and completed only seven years later. It's like NRG was the last of the old era of NFL stadiums, and the Cowboys/Cardinals stadiums were the beginning of the new era as those two hold up very well today.

Another thing that hurts the brand is the name itself. If McNair and his crew couldn't fight hard enough to have the NFL force Adams' to sell the history back, then they should have went with a name like Apollos to go with the city space theme. Cowboys can be universal. Texans is just too regional.

How is the first retractable roof football stadium the last of the old era of NFL stadiums? Seems more like the first of the new era.

Just curious: what do the Cowboys and Cardinals stadiums have that NRG does not, that would make them the first of the "new era"?

[SanJac]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

Mediocre or not, they still have a very strong brand so even the slightest bit of success is seen as a big thing. The Cowboys brand extends into the stadium itself, which is far better than NRG and completed only seven years later. It's like NRG was the last of the old era of NFL stadiums, and the Cowboys/Cardinals stadiums were the beginning of the new era as those two hold up very well today.

Another thing that hurts the brand is the name itself. If McNair and his crew couldn't fight hard enough to have the NFL force Adams' to sell the history back, then they should have went with a name like Apollos to go with the city space theme. Cowboys can be universal. Texans is just too regional.

From 18Montclair’s post:

2021 Most Valuable Sports Franchises in the United States:
1 Dallas Cowboys $7.64B
2 New York Yankees $7.01B
3 New York Knicks $6.12B
4 Golden State Warriors $6.03B
5 Los Angeles Rams $5.04B
6 New England Patriots $5.88B
7 New York Giants $5.73B
8 Los Angeles Lakers $5.63B
9 San Francisco 49ers $5.18B
10 Boston Red Sox $5.07B
11 Chicago Bears $5.0B
12 Los Angeles Dodgers $4.89B
13 New York Jets $4.80B
14 Washington Football Team $4.78B(formerly the Redskins)
15 Philadelphia Eagles $4.79B
16 Denver Broncos $4.65B
17 Houston Texans $4.63B
18 Chicago Cubs $4.43B
19 Seattle Seahawks $4.39B
20 Pittsburgh Steelers $4.08B

The rest of the ranking here:
https://www.sportico.com/valuations/...es-1234644354/

After Cowboys Stadium was built DFW thought they would get a Super Bowl every 5 years. Then the 2011 debacle happened. NRG is just fine…just needs a good team to restore its former glory.

[usc619]

Originally Posted by SanJac

From 18Montclair’s post:

2021 Most Valuable Sports Franchises in the United States:
1 Dallas Cowboys $7.64B
2 New York Yankees $7.01B
3 New York Knicks $6.12B
4 Golden State Warriors $6.03B
5 Los Angeles Rams $5.04B
6 New England Patriots $5.88B
7 New York Giants $5.73B
8 Los Angeles Lakers $5.63B
9 San Francisco 49ers $5.18B
10 Boston Red Sox $5.07B
11 Chicago Bears $5.0B
12 Los Angeles Dodgers $4.89B
13 New York Jets $4.80B
14 Washington Football Team $4.78B(formerly the Redskins)
15 Philadelphia Eagles $4.79B
16 Denver Broncos $4.65B
17 Houston Texans $4.63B
18 Chicago Cubs $4.43B
19 Seattle Seahawks $4.39B
20 Pittsburgh Steelers $4.08B

The rest of the ranking here:
https://www.sportico.com/valuations/...es-1234644354/

After Cowboys Stadium was built DFW thought they would get a Super Bowl every 5 years. Then the 2011 debacle happened. NRG is just fine…just needs a good team to restore its former glory.

What glory, Am I missing something? Last I checked there were no Lombardi trophies located in Houston.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

While a world class training facility isn’t exactly “needed”, it is something that would be a good thing if built. In general, any franchise should always look at ways to improve both with the team and in general. As mentioned above, the NRG facilities will put most of their focus on the World Cup so this isn’t currently the biggest priority.

Personally, I’m not a fan of AT&T stadium. I don’t like the way it’s laid out but it’s a solid stadium.

[SanJac]

Originally Posted by usc619

What glory, Am I missing something? Last I checked there were no Lombardi trophies located in Houston.

Yeah I know. It is sad! I was referring to the years when JJ and Andre were in their prime and NRG was considered one of the loudest stadiums in the NFL.

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

Mediocre or not, they still have a very strong brand so even the slightest bit of success is seen as a big thing. The Cowboys brand extends into the stadium itself, which is far better than NRG and completed only seven years later. It's like NRG was the last of the old era of NFL stadiums, and the Cowboys/Cardinals stadiums were the beginning of the new era as those two hold up very well today.

Another thing that hurts the brand is the name itself. If McNair and his crew couldn't fight hard enough to have the NFL force Adams' to sell the history back, then they should have went with a name like Apollos to go with the city space theme. Cowboys can be universal. Texans is just too regional.

There is no way on Earth the Adams family is going to sell the rights to the "Oilers" name and logo to any NFL team in Houston. The NFL can't force them to either. Bud Adams hated Houston with the passion of a thousand suns for not giving him a new stadium. I suspect he told his heirs that he would haunt them if they ever let the Oilers name come back to Houston.

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by WRM20

There is no way on Earth the Adams family is going to sell the rights to the "Oilers" name and logo to any NFL team in Houston. The NFL can't force them to either. Bud Adams hated Houston with the passion of a thousand suns for not giving him a new stadium. I suspect he told his heirs that he would haunt them if they ever let the Oilers name come back to Houston.

Of course they wouldn't which is why the Texans should have went with Apollos. Still prettt dumb for the adams family to be that petty

Originally Posted by oil capital

How is the first retractable roof football stadium the last of the old era of NFL stadiums? Seems more like the first of the new era.

Just curious: what do the Cowboys and Cardinals stadiums have that NRG does not, that would make them the first of the "new era"?

Are you really trying to compare their stadiums to NRG? One easy one is they can rotate different fields inside the stadium for different playing surfaces, unlike the terrible sod job done at NRG that resulted in one of the higher injury rates in the NFL. The Cowboys and Cardinals stadiums each can rotate between 2-3 fields IIRC. They also have more space inside. Plenty of other things too.

Originally Posted by SanJac

From 18Montclair’s post:

2021 Most Valuable Sports Franchises in the United States:
1 Dallas Cowboys $7.64B
2 New York Yankees $7.01B
3 New York Knicks $6.12B
4 Golden State Warriors $6.03B
5 Los Angeles Rams $5.04B
6 New England Patriots $5.88B
7 New York Giants $5.73B
8 Los Angeles Lakers $5.63B
9 San Francisco 49ers $5.18B
10 Boston Red Sox $5.07B
11 Chicago Bears $5.0B
12 Los Angeles Dodgers $4.89B
13 New York Jets $4.80B
14 Washington Football Team $4.78B(formerly the Redskins)
15 Philadelphia Eagles $4.79B
16 Denver Broncos $4.65B
17 Houston Texans $4.63B
18 Chicago Cubs $4.43B
19 Seattle Seahawks $4.39B
20 Pittsburgh Steelers $4.08B

The rest of the ranking here:
https://www.sportico.com/valuations/...es-1234644354/

After Cowboys Stadium was built DFW thought they would get a Super Bowl every 5 years. Then the 2011 debacle happened. NRG is just fine…just needs a good team to restore its former glory.

That was hyperbole on their part, but NRG is only just adequate enough at this point. It does not touch any of the stadiums which opened just a couple years after it, and definitely not any completed since 2012. For example, the way they built NRG makes it a terrible stadium to open the roof because they positioned it where half the stadium bakes in the sun. Plus the windflow is terrible so it gets real hot.